2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

[Tor_Raps]

I watched some of the Toronto game last night... not a fan of how much Barnes is ignored. I feel like he could be doing more on a team like the magic... maybe his efficiency suffers with less attention on others but he just has 'it'. His shot is a work in progress... when he misses, it's UGLY but the efficiency actually is good. I'm shocked that he's shooting 37% from 3 already. Toronto has a keeper in Barnes.

I agree that I don't like how Barnes gets ignored but that's usually how it is for most rookies that have veterans on the squad.

Also, maybe Barnes wouldn't be the same player with the Magic? I will stroke our ego of being able to develop most players here

Don't get carried away The Raptors didn't develop this kid this quick. Just be happy that they made a great pick.

Haha it was totally because of the Raptors faith to take him 4th and turn the kid from nothing into everything

Seriously though, I'm in love with the kids game. He was airballing 3s to start the season and now he's already hitting clutch step backs. Kids going to be scary with this trajectory.

[Dadouv47]

I was really low on Tre Mann but he's showing up lately. Could be a very good 6th man with his scoring skills.

[Bruin]

Why is Mobley not playing tonight?

[yoyoboy]

Sengun looked really good tonight. He's a load to handle when he gets deep position because he'll just pump fake, spin, and bump you until he gets himself an easy shot.

[CptCrunch]

So Silas is d-ing up Sengun with 22 minutes?

1 personal foul. Surely Sengun can pad some stats in garbage time.

[yoyoboy]

So Silas is d-ing up Sengun with 22 minutes?

1 personal foul. Surely Sengun can pad some stats in garbage time.

He did just that. Absolutely smoked our end of the bench lol. Sengun's combination of physicality and skill makes him a tough cover.

[Tripod]

Saw the big Cavs score so went to check out EM.

Anyone know why he is not playing?

[yoyoboy]

Saw the big Cavs score so went to check out EM.

Anyone know why he is not playing?

Hip soreness. Not serious, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cavs hold him out another game or two just to be safe.

[K_chile22]

So Silas is d-ing up Sengun with 22 minutes?

1 personal foul. Surely Sengun can pad some stats in garbage time.

Silas hasn't been playing Sengun as much as he should, but tonight he had to leave the bench very early in the game due to dehydration. Was very odd. John Lucas abruptly got put in charge

[BDM22]

Evan Mobley and Scottie Barnes vs. negative players on under .500 teams.

Isn't Scottie Barnes technically also a negative player on a below .500 team?

Seems a little reductive as most high picks end up on bad teams.

Other notable "negative" players on under .500 teams in their rookie years...

- Kevin Durant
- Lebron James
- Steph Curry
- Giannis

Hell, KD had a legitimately terrible on-off rating his first 2 years.

Should I go on?

[Kurtz]

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[K_chile22]

Honestly think if Sengun was an American prospect there's no way he drops out of the top 10. He got so much comp to guys like Kanter when he's not like Kanter at all besides being able to score in the block. Defense hasn't been good but the concerns on that end were exaggerated. Can easily see him being a perfectly adequate defensive center

[srhcan]

I watched some of the Toronto game last night... not a fan of how much Barnes is ignored. I feel like he could be doing more on a team like the magic... maybe his efficiency suffers with less attention on others but he just has 'it'. His shot is a work in progress... when he misses, it's UGLY but the efficiency actually is good. I'm shocked that he's shooting 37% from 3 already. Toronto has a keeper in Barnes.

Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?

[DudetheObscure]

I was really low on Tre Mann but he's showing up lately. Could be a very good 6th man with his scoring skills.

I've watched him since the SL. He creates space as well as anyone in the league and now he is starting to play with some aggressiveness and his shot is starting to fall a little more. He needs to get stronger, but he is really starting to look like a nice value pick.

[zaymon]

I watched some of the Toronto game last night... not a fan of how much Barnes is ignored. I feel like he could be doing more on a team like the magic... maybe his efficiency suffers with less attention on others but he just has 'it'. His shot is a work in progress... when he misses, it's UGLY but the efficiency actually is good. I'm shocked that he's shooting 37% from 3 already. Toronto has a keeper in Barnes.

Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?

Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.

[Bruin]

I watched some of the Toronto game last night... not a fan of how much Barnes is ignored. I feel like he could be doing more on a team like the magic... maybe his efficiency suffers with less attention on others but he just has 'it'. His shot is a work in progress... when he misses, it's UGLY but the efficiency actually is good. I'm shocked that he's shooting 37% from 3 already. Toronto has a keeper in Barnes.

Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?

Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.

Fine by me. I don’t think I’d do Barnes for both Franz and Jalen anyways

[QingJames]

I watched some of the Toronto game last night... not a fan of how much Barnes is ignored. I feel like he could be doing more on a team like the magic... maybe his efficiency suffers with less attention on others but he just has 'it'. His shot is a work in progress... when he misses, it's UGLY but the efficiency actually is good. I'm shocked that he's shooting 37% from 3 already. Toronto has a keeper in Barnes.

Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?

Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.

lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).

[JonFromVA]

Evan Mobley and Scottie Barnes vs. negative players on under .500 teams.

Isn't Scottie Barnes technically also a negative player on a below .500 team?

Seems a little reductive as most high picks end up on bad teams.

Other notable "negative" players on under .500 teams in their rookie years...

- Kevin Durant
- Lebron James
- Steph Curry
- Giannis

Hell, KD had a legitimately terrible on-off rating his first 2 years.

Should I go on?

James had a positive on-off as a rook, almost dragged the Cavs in to the playoffs.

Its pretty special when a one and done is able to help a team win and can play better than an average vet. I mean that's why most of these guys have BPMs below zero... even their box score numbers are not indicative of a player that typically helps a team win.

[BlazersBroncos]

Its a war crime that Presti denied us the pleasure of watching Giddey and Sengun on the same team.

[BDM22]

Evan Mobley and Scottie Barnes vs. negative players on under .500 teams.

Isn't Scottie Barnes technically also a negative player on a below .500 team?

Seems a little reductive as most high picks end up on bad teams.

Other notable "negative" players on under .500 teams in their rookie years...

- Kevin Durant
- Lebron James
- Steph Curry
- Giannis

Hell, KD had a legitimately terrible on-off rating his first 2 years.

Should I go on?

James had a positive on-off as a rook, almost dragged the Cavs in to the playoffs.

Its pretty special when a one and done is able to help a team win and can play better than an average vet. I mean that's why most of these guys have BPMs below zero... even their box score numbers are not indicative of a player that typically helps a team win.

I assumed when Statlanta called everyone but Mobley and Barnes "negative" players they must be talking +/- because guys like Cade and Franz have positive on-offs while Scottie has a negative, so none of it makes sense. And Lebron did have a negative +/- as you might expect for a young player on a team that was bad before they got him.

Anyways, the point was simply to show how silly the original comment was.