2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

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Which three rookies impress you the most? (vote for up to 3)

Cade Cunningham
70
12%
Jalen Green
3
0%
Evan Mobley
168
28%
Scottie Barnes
146
24%
Josh Giddey
45
7%
Franz Wagner
103
17%
Alperen Sengun
38
6%
Chris Duarte
5
1%
Davion Mitchell
4
1%
Other
20
3%
 
Total votes: 602

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4) 

Post#801 » by K_chile22 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:26 pm

ocelot17 wrote:Best rookie center.

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I just looked through the draft again and Jesus there is absolutely no competition there since Mobley has been a 4
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Post#802 » by srhcan » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:27 pm

ocelot17 wrote:Best rookie center.

Read on Twitter
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somehow I dont like his game too sloppy, give me Mobley over Senguin everyday, same Mobley you passed :lol:
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Post#803 » by basketballRob » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:32 pm

Mobley #1 Cade #2 Barnes #3 Franz #4 Giddey #5 in latest NBA rookie ladder.

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Post#804 » by JonFromVA » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
OrlMagic05 wrote:
Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.


Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.


We’ve been over this already. It’s not based on record. If it was, Carmelo would’ve won the award in 2003. Just stop.


Yeah, not record, but impact matters. LeBron was impacting winning for the Cavs more than Melo who was playing on a better team.

JB Bickerstiff had his finger so heavy on the Mobley button in the Kings game, he played him over 42 minutes on the second night of a back to back to make sure the Cavs got the win. He only played Garland 35 minutes, and potential All-Star on a mission to grab every rebound Jarrett Allen just 30.5 ... geez
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Post#805 » by rate_ » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:50 pm

Name | OnCourt | On/Off

Yurtseven | +9.2 | +5.9
Mobley | +4.0 | -0.9
Barnes | +2.2 | +2.8
Green | -20.4 | -18.2
Cunningham | -9.4 | +2.2
Wagner | -7.4 | +7.7
Giddey | -11.4 | -7.5
H. Jones | -0.9 | +10.3
Duarte | +0.9 | +2.7
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Post#806 » by Gusto1903 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:09 pm

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-jan-12-2022

Fkkn Big Yurt7

Omer Yurtseven, Miami Heat
Season stats: 5.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg
Since last Ladder: 10.5 ppg, 16.0 rpg, 6.0 apg
Last Ladder’s rung: 10
Draft pick: Undrafted (2020)

Lots of legends never grabbed 16+ rebounds in four consecutive games.
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Post#807 » by TheLand13 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:31 pm

JonFromVA wrote:Yeah, not record, but impact matters. LeBron was impacting winning for the Cavs more than Melo who was playing on a better team.


I know, that was my point.
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Post#808 » by Vampirate » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:48 pm

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Kalamazoo317 wrote:
I feel like Cade is grabbing the #2 spot right now, though.


Cade's scoring hasn't been consistently good enough yet to enter the top 3.

FG% 37.8 3P% 33.3 in his last 10 games.

Barnes and Wagner have been way, way more consistent over a longer period of time.


Huh? His last 10 games: 16.5ppg (41.5% FG, 35.4% 3FG), 5rpg, 7.3apg.

He also shoots a lot more 3's (6.5 attempts per game in that stretch) and creates more of his own offense (60+% unassisted) than those two so naturally his overall percentage will be lower. This is to be expected.


Well first off 41.5%FG/35.4 3FG isn't that great and is not that far off from what I posted.

All 3 of them do most of their scoring on ISO's, Cade the most.

As for the last 10 again (not including the Chicago game), Cade is just not consistent enough.

He goes 10/17 from the field scoring 29 points, and the game before he goes 3/14 scoring only 12 points.

Cade's scoring efficiency is very up and down and not consistent, one night he can just go off for close to 30 on 17 shots, the next night he goes 2/15 from the field scoring 11 points.

I've yet to mention his turnover issues which can't be completely blamed on his teammates.

Yes Barnes has struggled as of late and but Barnes contributes to as many areas as Cade that isn't scoring and even more so considering Cade's TO issues.

Wagner has just been a better scorer than Cade over the last 10+ games (and is probably the best/most consistent scorer in the draft class atm).

I'd still put Barnes #2 mostly because I think his struggles are from his Knee tendonitis and he actually contributes in many ways. Wagner is #3 but probably has a case for #2 now because he simply the best/most consistent scoring option depending on how you view Barnes and his knee.

Cade has definitely been better as of late, but it hasn't been consistent on a game by game basis.
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Post#809 » by Kurtz » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:36 pm

ocelot17 wrote:Best rookie center.

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He's not even the best Turkish rookie center this year.
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Post#810 » by QPR » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:14 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:No Giddey?

So far in 5 JAN games he is putting up special numbers:

14ppg / 9.2rpg / 8.2apg / .58TS

He is clearly in the conversation, albiet more of a mention than a contender.

The kid is so fun to watch, cant wait for OKC to get Chet. :D


He's definitely filling it up. Youngest player to ever have a triple double, second youngest ever to 200 career assists (behind LeBron) and on track to join Oscar, Magic and Simmons as rookies to average at least 11/7/6.
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Post#811 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:53 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
OrlMagic05 wrote:
Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.


Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.


We’ve been over this already. It’s not based on record. If it was, Carmelo would’ve won the award in 2003. Just stop.


Notice how you had to go all the way back to 2003 to come up with an example.
And even then, Cavs had a record of 35-47 that season which is not nearly as bad as what the Magic & Pistons are on pace for this season (14 & 19 wins respectively). Yes, the Nuggets had a better record of 43-39. But LeBron also had Melo beat in most of the major statistical categories.
PTS: Tie (21ppg)
RPG: Tie (5.5 vs 6.1)
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
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Post#812 » by Tripod » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:23 am

thelead wrote:
Tripod wrote:Glad they sat Sarnes out tonight. He has clearly been trying to play thru a bummed knee and hip. I would even rest him against Detroit on Friday for some extra rest.

He hasn’t looked right (physically) to me over the last few games. Might be nagging injuries or a rookie wall but either way, it’s best to give him some extra rest.

Well this was the 2nd game he missed due to knee tendinitis and a few games ago, someone "landed" on his hip and he hazbeen limping ever since.

He has not been running all out like earlier this year and it's just clear he is laboring due to injury. Not to mention last game he once again started hold his thumb that has a brace on it.

Banged up for sure.
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Post#813 » by srhcan » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:09 am

Tripod wrote:
thelead wrote:
Tripod wrote:Glad they sat Sarnes out tonight. He has clearly been trying to play thru a bummed knee and hip. I would even rest him against Detroit on Friday for some extra rest.

He hasn’t looked right (physically) to me over the last few games. Might be nagging injuries or a rookie wall but either way, it’s best to give him some extra rest.

Well this was the 2nd game he missed due to knee tendinitis and a few games ago, someone "landed" on his hip and he hazbeen limping ever since.

He has not been running all out like earlier this year and it's just clear he is laboring due to injury. Not to mention last game he once again started hold his thumb that has a brace on it.

Banged up for sure.

Well since Fred was initially off-color and Siakam was injured then OG was injured, Barnes was forced to play heavy minutes and performed admirably and was actually carrying the team as a rookie which no other rookie was doing (thats why it was huge injustice that he did not get ROM for Oct & Nov). That has taken a toll. Now Fred is playing like a real all-star, Siakam is back and balling again once he become #2 to Fred, and OG is getting in the groove, Barnes should get as much rest as possible and Raptors should not burn him out.
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Post#814 » by orlando_joe » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 am

franz 10 ast with zero turnovers tonight..also 1 of only 8 players left to start every game and only 15 players left starter and bench to play every game
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Post#815 » by rate_ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:44 am

Yurtseven tonight:

29 minutes | 13/10/6/1 on 6-9 FG | +19 (highest on team)
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Post#816 » by whitehops » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:02 am

i was wondering why i kept hearing yurtseven's name in rookie talks and then i looked up why.

dude was in the same draft combine as bam adebayo initially. he's older than guys like doncic and trae young, only a couple months younger than jarrett allen, etc.

in the last eleven games he's had a ton of rebounds (the most overrated stat in bball) but he's also averaging 10 PPG on a TS% of .470.

i think heat fans might be dreaming right now.
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Post#817 » by Kameleon » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:22 am

Great game by Point Forward Mobley again:
15 points
7/9 FG
10 rebonds
7 assists
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4) 

Post#818 » by TheLand13 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:22 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Notice how you had to go all the way back to 2003 to come up with an example.


Oh, I could have very easily come up with something far more recent. But this is the best example.

Also, notice how you still have yet to come up with an actual example because none exist.

LoveMyRaps wrote:And even then, Cavs had a record of 35-47 that season which is not nearly as bad as what the Magic & Pistons are on pace for this season (14 & 19 wins respectively). Yes, the Nuggets had a better record of 43-39. But LeBron also had Melo beat in most of the major statistical categories.
PTS: Tie (21ppg)
RPG: Tie (5.5 vs 6.1)
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron


Carmelo had better efficiency, not to mention he, you know, led his team to the playoffs, while LeBron didn't. You want to sit here and pretend like LeBron leading in the respective categories you mentioned matters. No one at the time really cared about LeBron's stats. That wasn't what made him stand out as a rookie. It was the way he changed the entire way the Cavaliers played and how much better they were when he was on the floor. That's how people are evaluating Mobley right now. It's just a coincidence that it's resulting in wins (being that good tends to help).

At some point you need to stop coming up with excuses. It's okay to admit that Mobley has been the superior rookie, I don't know why Raptor fans are so bent out of shape about that.
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Post#819 » by toooskies » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:42 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Notice how you had to go all the way back to 2003 to come up with an example.


Oh, I could have very easily come up with something far more recent. But this is the best example.

Also, notice how you still have yet to come up with an actual example because none exist.

LoveMyRaps wrote:And even then, Cavs had a record of 35-47 that season which is not nearly as bad as what the Magic & Pistons are on pace for this season (14 & 19 wins respectively). Yes, the Nuggets had a better record of 43-39. But LeBron also had Melo beat in most of the major statistical categories.
PTS: Tie (21ppg)
RPG: Tie (5.5 vs 6.1)
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron


Carmelo had better efficiency, not to mention he, you know, led his team to the playoffs, while LeBron didn't. You want to sit here and pretend like LeBron leading in the respective categories you mentioned matters. No one at the time really cared about LeBron's stats. That wasn't what made him stand out as a rookie. It was the way he changed the entire way the Cavaliers played and how much better they were when he was on the floor. That's how people are evaluating Mobley right now. It's just a coincidence that it's resulting in wins (being that good tends to help).

At some point you need to stop coming up with excuses. It's okay to admit that Mobley has been the superior rookie, I don't know why Raptor fans are so bent out of shape about that.

Unlike the Lebron/Carmelo cases, where in each case each team improved, it was easy to see that Lebron and Carmelo were the best players on the teams and deserved the credit for the improvement. In Mobley and Barnes's cases, though, they're not the best players on their teams and may not deserve most or even some of the credit for their teams' improvement. There are at least a half dozen reasons for the Cavs to be better this year than last (Garland's development, Allen's development, relative health/deeper roster, Rubio, Love/Osman rejuvenation, roster stability, no KPJ or Drummond drama, etc.) that have very little to nothing to do with Mobley.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4) 

Post#820 » by srhcan » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:39 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Notice how you had to go all the way back to 2003 to come up with an example.


Oh, I could have very easily come up with something far more recent. But this is the best example.

Also, notice how you still have yet to come up with an actual example because none exist.

LoveMyRaps wrote:And even then, Cavs had a record of 35-47 that season which is not nearly as bad as what the Magic & Pistons are on pace for this season (14 & 19 wins respectively). Yes, the Nuggets had a better record of 43-39. But LeBron also had Melo beat in most of the major statistical categories.
PTS: Tie (21ppg)
RPG: Tie (5.5 vs 6.1)
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron


Carmelo had better efficiency, not to mention he, you know, led his team to the playoffs, while LeBron didn't. You want to sit here and pretend like LeBron leading in the respective categories you mentioned matters. No one at the time really cared about LeBron's stats. That wasn't what made him stand out as a rookie. It was the way he changed the entire way the Cavaliers played and how much better they were when he was on the floor. That's how people are evaluating Mobley right now. It's just a coincidence that it's resulting in wins (being that good tends to help).

At some point you need to stop coming up with excuses. It's okay to admit that Mobley has been the superior rookie, I don't know why Raptor fans are so bent out of shape about that.
Basically you are saying the same thing as him but in a different way. Impact of rookies on teams matters which results in improvement of team wins. No need to try to make it an argument. Just give it a rest.

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