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orlando_joe wrote:

LoveMyRaps wrote:

OrlMagic05 wrote:
Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.

Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.

and hopefully #1 pick !

ocelot17 wrote:Best rookie center.

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Vampirate wrote:

TheLand13 wrote:

Vampirate wrote:I disagree with you here.

Consider that the more amount of energy you put on offense, the less amount of energy you can put on defense.

I've read somewhere that Mobley's defense is so good that it allows players to focus their game more on the offensive end.

Don't you think it odd that everyone is having better years right after Mobley has been drafted?

Not really, no.

Garland and Allen are still very young players who are continuing to develop. It was expected that they would be better. Mobley being there has definitely played a hand in that, but it was going to happen regardless.

Vampirate wrote:If you take Mobley off the Cavs, his defense goes away and then the other players need to put that much more energy into their defense and thus less energy into their offense.

You DO realize that Mobley is not the only one playing elite defense out there, right?

Vampirate wrote:It's an effect that you wouldn't notice unless you really think about it.

I notice it every time he gets subbed out.

Garland's real bump in production was from Year 1 to Year 2, from year 2 to year 3 he did get better, but last year the Cavs were deep in the lottery. Garland was producing at a similar rate last year to this year in numbers.

Jarret Allen is now in his 6th year and has been a 12/10 player for the past 5. Usually you'd see the biggest improvement in year 3 or 4. He's having his biggest improvement in year 6.

As for the bolded, the Cavs are now fighting for position in the playoffs. Mobley's defense is a huge part of that and it has probably had a trickle down effect.

I think someone on this forum said that the team tends to take on the identity of their best player.

Rubio when he was playing definitely helped, but this Cavs team didn't know success until they drafted Mobley. It's that Cut and dry (for me anyways).

Stat wise there may be players on the Cavs who look like they are the best players, but Mobley (to me anyways) is the Cavs best player.

therealozzykhan wrote:Scottie Barnes has really fallen off.

therealozzykhan wrote:Scottie Barnes has really fallen off. I don't see Raptors fans posting here anymore lol.

JonFromVA wrote:

Vampirate wrote:

TheLand13 wrote:
Not really, no.

Garland and Allen are still very young players who are continuing to develop. It was expected that they would be better. Mobley being there has definitely played a hand in that, but it was going to happen regardless.



You DO realize that Mobley is not the only one playing elite defense out there, right?



I notice it every time he gets subbed out.

Garland's real bump in production was from Year 1 to Year 2, from year 2 to year 3 he did get better, but last year the Cavs were deep in the lottery. Garland was producing at a similar rate last year to this year in numbers.

Jarret Allen is now in his 6th year and has been a 12/10 player for the past 5. Usually you'd see the biggest improvement in year 3 or 4. He's having his biggest improvement in year 6.

As for the bolded, the Cavs are now fighting for position in the playoffs. Mobley's defense is a huge part of that and it has probably had a trickle down effect.

I think someone on this forum said that the team tends to take on the identity of their best player.

Rubio when he was playing definitely helped, but this Cavs team didn't know success until they drafted Mobley. It's that Cut and dry (for me anyways).

Stat wise there may be players on the Cavs who look like they are the best players, but Mobley (to me anyways) is the Cavs best player.

You need to dial yourself in a little better on the Cavs other than Mobley.

thelead wrote:

therealozzykhan wrote:Scottie Barnes has really fallen off.

I’m convinced he’s injured. I mentioned how bulky and slow he looked a couple of weeks ago and most fans told me he always looked this slow. His first month, he was ALL over the court. I don’t see that anymore. Hopefully it’s just a rookie wall.

therealozzykhan wrote:

thelead wrote:

therealozzykhan wrote:Scottie Barnes has really fallen off.

I’m convinced he’s injured. I mentioned how bulky and slow he looked a couple of weeks ago and most fans told me he always looked this slow. His first month, he was ALL over the court. I don’t see that anymore. Hopefully it’s just a rookie wall.

You're right. Raptors need to rest him, not sure why he even played today if injured.

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whitehops wrote:lmao barnes making very public his knee is why he's playing subpar these days.

fear can be a strong scent but insecurity just reeks. really, it just sucks for him he's the only player in the league playing through pain.

BlazersBroncos wrote:O come on man. I know you have a horse in this race but Barnes isn’t some diva. Any unbiased fan would tell you the same. This is just such a silly take.

Husky1 wrote:Franz is unmatched for consistency and efficiency surely. I don't know the stats but he's just so damn good. I live international so only really watch Magic games so i'm only going off box scores for others. What a draft ey