Would James Harden and Blake Griffin for Lonzo Ball and Nikola Vucevic trade be upgrade for the Nets ?

jeeh · Post #1 » by **jeeh** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:18 pm

Or downgrade ? I mean James harden is generally regarded as better player but this year with the new rules Lonzo is better offensively and was always better at defense. James Harden is only better free throw shooter. If Brooklyn nets were to offer this trade, would Chicago bulls accept ?

InsideInfo · Post #2 » by **InsideInfo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:23 pm

Bulls say no.

I speak on their behalf.

SUPERVILLAIN · Post #3 » by **SUPERVILLAIN** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:27 pm

InsideInfo · Post #4 » by **InsideInfo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:32 pm

In all seriousness, I think its an upgrade. You add a Pass first 3/D pointguard with size... something you don't see a lot of. You add Rebounding and size inside.

Not a knock on Harden, but what does he bring to the table that you don't already get from KD?

jeeh · Post #5 » by **jeeh** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:48 pm

InsideInfo wrote:In all seriousness, I think its an upgrade. You add a Pass first 3/D pointguard with size... something you don't see a lot of. You add Rebounding and size inside.

Not a knock on Harden, but what does he bring to the table that you don't already get from KD?

True. Harden is overrated

Ito · Post #6 » by **Ito** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm

No gettin kyrie back would be an upgrade for the nets

chilluminati · Post #7 » by **chilluminati** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 pm

No bueno, the Bulls would laugh at this. Harden's decline is real. And no matter how poorly Vuc is playing this year, it's still better than having Blake Griffin as your starting center.

RoyceDa59 · Post #8 » by **RoyceDa59** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:18 pm

Bulls guys are about 7 years younger on average, easy no go from the Bulls.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #9 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:19 pm

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Ballerhogger · Post #10 » by **Ballerhogger** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 pm

Trade Kyrie instead . Become unstoppable

Ballerhogger · Post #11 » by **Ballerhogger** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:22 pm

As far team fit yes that team gets lot better defensively

jeeh · Post #12 » by **jeeh** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:25 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Dude Harden is a fraud and inefficient as hell.

CLosP · Post #13 » by **CLosP** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:30 pm

Why does Chicago do this? Who plays Center for them? I don’t really see Harden meshing with LaVine & DeRozan. It makes sense for Brooklyn but don’t see KD agreeing to this and Kyrie will help with ball handling and just being another threat offensively.

bearadonisdna · Post #14 » by **bearadonisdna** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:31 pm

This is 1 of those trades where both teams kinda become better

ImSlower · Post #15 » by **ImSlower** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:00 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:This is 1 of those trades where both teams kinda become better

You and your daily matchup things should surely realize that this would leave the Bulls with Tony Bradley as our only center, unless you actually believe that Blake Griffin is a starting center. Spoiler: he isn't.

I admit to a vehement personal bias against Harden, but even objectively he wrecks the current unselfish team. DDR becomes an afterthought instead of a 4th quarter leader. LaVine becomes a motionless spot shooter as Harden does his dribble 20 times thing.

What a nightmare trade for the Bulls. There are few rosters worse suited for Harden than the Bulls 2021 one. Yikes.

bearadonisdna · Post #16 » by **bearadonisdna** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:10 pm

ImSlower wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:This is 1 of those trades where both teams kinda become better

You and your daily matchup things should surely realize that this would leave the Bulls with Tony Bradley as our only center, unless you actually believe that Blake Griffin is a starting center. Spoiler: he isn't.

I admit to a vehement personal bias against Harden, but even objectively he wrecks the current unselfish team. DDR becomes an afterthought instead of a 4th quarter leader. LaVine becomes a motionless spot shooter as Harden does his dribble 20 times thing.

What a nightmare trade for the Bulls. There are few rosters worse suited for Harden than the Bulls 2021 one. Yikes.

You make good points .
To me it’s not the worst fit because the bulls actually upgrade their pointguard play .

But harden is not your typical pointguard , he plays off himself more than others .

Trust me I’m not rushing to make the deal but you can’t not think about it .

JujitsuFlip · Post #17 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:15 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

You have to consider contract. Harden could leave in the summer, not worth the risk.

InsideInfo · Post #18 » by **InsideInfo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:20 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Imagine believing this.

What does Harden add to the Bulls? They already have 2 guys in the top 10 in scoring this year. You really think they would take a deal to give up their starting PG and C for Harden?

Dude is 32 with this lowest FG% since he was a rookie. Career low in 3Pt%. Lowest PPG since he played for OKC. Leads the NBA in TO per game. Makes 44M a year with an option to opt out next year.

Yeah im sure the bulls would be all over a guy like that.

Zip up your pants. Your James Hardon is hanging out.

Overhere · Post #19 » by **Overhere** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:21 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

So I assume Westbrook is #1 on your list of trade targets as a former MVP too right? Since we're ignoring their fit/contract, current production, and projected production going forward. I think a lot of Lakers fans would be very happy to hear that.

InsideInfo · Post #20 » by **InsideInfo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:31 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
ImSlower wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:This is 1 of those trades where both teams kinda become better

You and your daily matchup things should surely realize that this would leave the Bulls with Tony Bradley as our only center, unless you actually believe that Blake Griffin is a starting center. Spoiler: he isn't.

I admit to a vehement personal bias against Harden, but even objectively he wrecks the current unselfish team. DDR becomes an afterthought instead of a 4th quarter leader. LaVine becomes a motionless spot shooter as Harden does his dribble 20 times thing.

What a nightmare trade for the Bulls. There are few rosters worse suited for Harden than the Bulls 2021 one. Yikes.

You make good points .
To me it’s not the worst fit because the bulls actually upgrade their pointguard play .

But harden is not your typical pointguard , he plays off himself more than others .

Trust me I’m not rushing to make the deal but you can’t not think about it .

It doesnt take more than a few seconds of thinking about it to realize its god awful for the Bulls.

Your starting C becomes Tony Bradly.
Harden can opt out leaving you with nothing, or opt in a make 48M a year. He will be 33 and obviously on the decline.
Opting in adds 6M to the salary in the off season they need to extend Lavine.
Bulls have 2 guys in the top 10 in scoring as is... we dont need scoring.

I could go on, but its not even a no from the Bulls. Its a LOL F No.