I used to watch the NBA. I don't anymore.

[jazzfan1971]

Back in the days of Stockton and Malone I used to live and breath Jazz games. I'd watch every second. IF I couldn't watch I'd listen. I loved the game back then.

Then they moved on. But, I still loved watching AK and a bunch of scrubs try to win games. It was a little frustrating watching them execute the offense to get good looks but just not have enough talent to make open shots. But the energy and effort they put into the game was infectious.

I still enjoyed the Boozer and Deron days. It was a lesser product than Stockton and Malone, but it was still rewarding to watch. They still ran plays. They tried pretty hard.

Then Sloan retired.

I haven't enjoyed basketball since. The game used to be beautiful. Not just the Jazz. But, the Kings under Adleman. The Spurs under Pop. Yes, even the Bulls were a joy to watch.

But, today the game stinks. I have a perfectly good team to watch. And I don't. I check box scores. I follow the offseason. But, to sit down and watch a game?? Nah. It's just ugly basketball IMHO. You don't see the teamwork anymore. You don't see the physicality. You don't see a team imposing their will. It's more like a glorified game of pop-a-shot. And the Jazz are freaking good at pop-a-shot. But, I still don't want to watch that.

I want to watch post play. I want to see backdoor cuts. Throw me a UCLA cut now and then. Something. But, it's either iso or PNR every trip down the floor for every team. It's boring. Even winning is boring. ****, even the playoff are boring. Can you believe that? I don't even watch my team in the playoffs anymore.

I guess the rest of the world is perfectly happy with this product, but I'm old enough to remember something better. And I'm sad. I believe the fact that 3>2 has destroyed the product. It took a while, but it finally did.

I think they need to move the 3pt line back. Way back. The 3pt shot should be a high risk, high reward desperation shot. Not the bread and butter of an offense. You should be looking to make a 3 in specific dire circumstances, not simply every time you can get one. So, push it back about 3ft, let the Currys and Dame's of the league still have value. But, no more corner 3s. Also, if you are fouled on a 3pt shot, you get 2 free throws, not 3. So, less flopping for free throws on the 3pt line. If you are going to shoot there you need to be actually trying to score of the math isn't in your favor.

I wonder if I'm the only old timer that has simply stopped watching games now. Or if we all have decided box scores and offseason moves are the only thing left of interest?

[skones]

I guess if you hate it so much, then bye?

[vxmike]

Nope another older guy here that’s totally with you.

[WeTheNorth123]

I dont watch it anymore either. I do follow stats, read forums an watch highlights.

I do watch playoff games for my team and sometimes other key important games but that's about it.

[Bornstellar]

The homogenization of the game is really off-putting, for sure. But I still watch every single game, even though my team sucks now, because I just love basketball. Regardless of the era, regardless of the players, I will always be a Spurs fan and will always watch basketball games. I definitely miss the glory days. I miss watching specialists like Tony Allen or Bruce Bowen. I miss when guys like Voshon Leonard were rare and not basically on every roster now. I miss when teams had multiple bigs that could play out of the post. But in the end, it's still NBA ball, and I'll still watch it because I'm a diehard basketball fan

[og15]

Back in the days of Stockton and Malone I used to live and breath Jazz games. I'd watch every second. IF I couldn't watch I'd listen. I loved the game back then.

Then they moved on. But, I still loved watching AK and a bunch of scrubs try to win games. It was a little frustrating watching them execute the offense to get good looks but just not have enough talent to make open shots. But the energy and effort they put into the game was infectious.

I still enjoyed the Boozer and Deron days. It was a lesser product than Stockton and Malone, but it was still rewarding to watch. They still ran plays. They tried pretty hard.

Then Sloan retired.

I haven't enjoyed basketball since. The game used to be beautiful. Not just the Jazz. But, the Kings under Adleman. The Spurs under Pop. Yes, even the Bulls were a joy to watch.

But, today the game stinks. I have a perfectly good team to watch. And I don't. I check box scores. I follow the offseason. But, to sit down and watch a game?? Nah. It's just ugly basketball IMHO. You don't see the teamwork anymore. You don't see the physicality. You don't see a team imposing their will. It's more like a glorified game of pop-a-shot. And the Jazz are freaking good at pop-a-shot. But, I still don't want to watch that.

I want to watch post play. I want to see backdoor cuts. Throw me a UCLA cut now and then. Something. But, it's either iso or PNR every trip down the floor for every team. It's boring. Even winning is boring. ****, even the playoff are boring. Can you believe that? I don't even watch my team in the playoffs anymore.

I guess the rest of the world is perfectly happy with this product, but I'm old enough to remember something better. And I'm sad. I believe the fact that 3>2 has destroyed the product. It took a while, but it finally did.

I think they need to move the 3pt line back. Way back. The 3pt shot should be a high risk, high reward desperation shot. Not the bread and butter of an offense. You should be looking to make a 3 in specific dire circumstances, not simply every time you can get one. So, push it back about 3ft, let the Currys and Dame's of the league still have value. But, no more corner 3s. Also, if you are fouled on a 3pt shot, you get 2 free throws, not 3. So, less flopping for free throws on the 3pt line. If you are going to shoot there you need to be actually trying to score of the math isn't in your favor.

I wonder if I'm the only old timer that has simply stopped watching games now. Or if we all have decided box scores and offseason moves are the only thing left of interest?

You can watch the Bulls or Spurs or Suns, or the Sixers who run a lot via Embiid. The Jazz are at the top of the league in utilizing 3PT shooting, so if that is not a style you like, then it's going to be tough for you.

The homogenization of the game is really off-putting, for sure. But I still watch every single game, even though my team sucks now, because I just love basketball. Regardless of the era, regardless of the players, I will always be a Spurs fan and will always watch basketball games. I definitely miss the glory days. I miss watching specialists like Tony Allen or Bruce Bowen. I miss when guys like Voshon Leonard were rare and not basically on every roster now. I miss when teams had multiple bigs that could play out of the post. But in the end, it's still NBA ball, and I'll still watch it because I'm a diehard basketball fan

To be totally fair, many teams had multiple bigs who they gave the ball to in the post with varying levels of success. Whether we can technically define those bigs as capable of playing out of the post in terms of actual results is a different question

Actual effective and efficient post play has NEVER been common. It's always been rare for players to be effective there, what wasn't rare was utilization regardless of specific effectiveness. But, maximizing efficiency doesn't necessarily mean maximizing variety or entertainment value.

[KGtabake]

Cool but what are you guys doing here if that's the case?

[twyzted]

[druggas]

I've been watching since the 60's, but now that the NBA has turned into a 3 point contest, I don't bother to watch.

[Vampirate]

You have a player who dominates defensively at the paint in Rudy Gobert and you don't enjoy that?

Also, as for physicality, imposing their will what about Embiid, Jokic, Giannis?

Why not pick a player you like to watch and wait it out till the playoffs.

[wojoaderge]

I like the Bulls for really the first time in my life, even though i've lived in the Chicagoland area for 37 non-consecutive years, because they have a mid-ranger and a scoring center

[DaGawd]

Fantasy basketball has kept me interested in the NBA game.. otherwise I agree. Every team just runs the same stuff now. It all looks like free lance school yard offense for the most part..

[og15]

I've been watching since the 60's, but now that the NBA has turned into a 3 point contest, I don't bother to watch.

Wait, how old are you then?

[payton2kemp]

I like the Bulls for really the first time in my life, even though i've lived in the Chicagoland area for 37 non-consecutive years, because they have a mid-ranger and a scoring center

You weren't a fan of the Jordan Bulls? Ugh Jordan also had a good mid-range game.

[bisme37]

This is enlightening. Some of the takes we get around here make much more sense now. I didn't realize people who don't watch the NBA still comment on it so much.

[Nate505]

It's definitely a much worse game now than it was 20-40 years ago, but I still watch the Jazz.

It has been better this season with the refs finally not calling foul after foul after foul, but it seems like they're slipping a bit in that regard too.

[wojoaderge]

I like the Bulls for really the first time in my life, even though i've lived in the Chicagoland area for 37 non-consecutive years, because they have a mid-ranger and a scoring center

You weren't a fan of the Jordan Bulls? Ugh Jordan also had a good mid-range game.

Maybe if Luc Longley had been a go-to guy

[jazzfan1971]

This is enlightening. Some of the takes we get around here make much more sense now. I didn't realize people who don't watch the NBA still comment on it so much.

Totally fair takeaway. Most of my knowledge of the game is now generated by box scores. I see a smattering of games. I watched the Cleveland/Jazz game for instance, and I came away very impressed with Cleveland. But, I am not 100% sure I've ever even watch a single game of Embiid. At least not one that stuck in my head. I guess if I've watched him that I didn't come away impressed.

[CBS7]

I think its less the game changing and the person (you) changing. People change. Interests change. Eventually things get old. But perhaps if your team made the jump from good team to great team you'd be interested again.

[jazzfan1971]

I think its less the game changing and the person (you) changing. People change. Interests change. Eventually things get old. But perhaps if your team made the jump from good team to great team you'd be interested again.

I think maybe my team is just exceptionally boring. It only takes one or two pull up 25ft shots with 18seconds left on the clock before I change the channel. That shot might be good math, but it's terrible entertainment.