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kj_ wrote:

Canadian6ersFan wrote:I like it. Teams are becoming desperate, and will become even more desperate as the playoffs near and some are on the cusp.

If that strategy doesn't work, there's always draft day and the off-season.

Ben was hoping to jet outta Philly. That ain't happenin, cuz. You gonna stay till the franchise is the benefactor, not you

Both will likely lose here. Ben loses a season or more. Sixers get less than what they perceive the value to be while losing another year of Embiid’s career.


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Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

VDT wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I think too many people in here are looking at this from a perspective of what they would do if they were a GM and not what some of the GMs with losing records right now might do. I don't think Simmons value is as low as some of you think, we're not even 5 yrs removed from Kawhi seemingly having a degenerative quad injury and refusing to return to the Spurs and that still got them an all-star and young player, obviously Simmons isn't Kawhi but he's still viewed as an impact player around the league and if he were as negative an asset as some of you think so many teams wouldn't be kicking the tires right now.

A month from now some of these GMs will be on the hot seat and all it takes is one of them to panic.

No what most people are looking at the situation as what it is, not what Morey and delusional Sixers fans want it to be. Think about it logically as you say, if I’m Boston, Hawks or Wizards and desperate, I’m not trading my best or second best player for someone who I’m going to get for half a season, I don’t know how he will fit into my system and could potentially make my situation worse because now you have to rely on Ben Simmons as your best player.

Now the Kings, Wolves, Trailblazers would be willing to trade Fox, Russell, Mcollum but apparently that’s an insulting offer that offends Morey’s delicate sensibilities.

It’s a different story if you trade for Ben during the offseason when you have the draft, free agency, training camp and preseason to shape your team and implement a system. Morey didn’t want to take the highest offer last offseason and I don’t think the offers get better this offseason.

Comparing this to the Kwahi situation would be like the Spurs expecting Lebron or Durant for injured and disgruntled Kawhi instead of a lesser player and draft assets. Completely illogical and just wishful thinking.

You are missing half of the point. Yes teams would ideally like to get Simmons for some random pieces and a protected pick. But the Sixers would also like to get an upgrade for Simmons. A trade requires two willing part. The Sixers will wait until they find a team that is forced to trade their star, or they might be forced themselve to trade Simmons for wahtever reason. They are not going to willingly take players like CJ, Russell etc unless they get enough picks to trade for a star shortly after.

Morey's plan might fail but i dont get why people here, non SIxers fans, are so fixated with Morey making (and losing) a trade now. Other teams have pressure and are not doing well too but people dont write post after post blaming their GM for not making a bad trade.

Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

thelead wrote:

Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

If they didn't have Embiid, I would agree. Getting something out of him, even if it's complimentary pieces on good contracts, is better than pissing off Embiid.

Oscirus wrote:so they raising the price on a one way player that hasnt played in forevs? Tell me how that works out for you guys

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DusterBuster wrote:

simonbampfield wrote:Time for the NBA to step in. They simply can't afford to let both parties troll each other like this. Just trade the damn man. Morey is acting like a jilted lover at this point.

I think the league will let it play out for the season and into the summer, but if this drags into August/Sept of next year... I'll be curious if the league doesn't try to force some sort of resolution. No way the league wants this to drag on into another season.

Castle Black wrote:

Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

Normally I’d agree with this as well cause I hate giving into prima donna athlete’s demands. But they have a Top-6 player in the league in Embiid, who’s in the middle of his prime. You can’t waste that. You HAVE to try and capitalize on that, even if it’s a discount (which it will have to be — there’s just no way Philly can get fair compensation for Ben Simmons anymore).

Just trade him to a team like Indiana, who can offer a package of Sabonis or Myles Turner + Chris Duarte + Caris Lavert for Simmons and pick(s) if necessary and be done with it. You get 3 players who become immediate contributors for a championship run. The Sabonis fit is a weird but you can make it work, especially since he and Embiid are interchangeable. Worst case scenario, they give you trade pieces to operate this off-season or next year.

This Ben Simmons thing is 100% a distraction to that team and it’s time to move on from this media circus.

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docholliday99 wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:

The Sixers are targeting top 25-caliber players for trades, but those kinds of assets have yet to be made available to them in offers, sources said. Some teams have even described the Sixers' asking price for a Simmons' deal as growing in price - not declining, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33052865/sources-ben-simmons-agent-meets-philadelphia-76ers-sides-no-closer-resolution

"Daryl, teams are saying we're asking too much for Ben, what should we do?"

"Ask for more!"

You eye roll though it makes sense to me...if you're asking price for your product is 100 and everyone is coming in with offers at 70-80, then jack the price to 120-130 and see if you can get to 90-100

For myself, Morey increasing his price for Simmons is suggesting multiple suitors are in play - or at the very least, the illusion of it. I'd be surprised, shocked really, if Simmons was still on the roster past the deadline - Embiid will be 28 soon and with his injury history I wouldn't be wasting his prime years.

Duke4life831 wrote:

Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

So Ben never playing another game for the 6ers but being on the salary cap is better than trading him and finding use for that 30+ million dollars of cap? That is the smart move?

VDT wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I think too many people in here are looking at this from a perspective of what they would do if they were a GM and not what some of the GMs with losing records right now might do. I don't think Simmons value is as low as some of you think, we're not even 5 yrs removed from Kawhi seemingly having a degenerative quad injury and refusing to return to the Spurs and that still got them an all-star and young player, obviously Simmons isn't Kawhi but he's still viewed as an impact player around the league and if he were as negative an asset as some of you think so many teams wouldn't be kicking the tires right now.

A month from now some of these GMs will be on the hot seat and all it takes is one of them to panic.

No what most people are looking at the situation as what it is, not what Morey and delusional Sixers fans want it to be. Think about it logically as you say, if I’m Boston, Hawks or Wizards and desperate, I’m not trading my best or second best player for someone who I’m going to get for half a season, I don’t know how he will fit into my system and could potentially make my situation worse because now you have to rely on Ben Simmons as your best player.

Now the Kings, Wolves, Trailblazers would be willing to trade Fox, Russell, Mcollum but apparently that’s an insulting offer that offends Morey’s delicate sensibilities.

It’s a different story if you trade for Ben during the offseason when you have the draft, free agency, training camp and preseason to shape your team and implement a system. Morey didn’t want to take the highest offer last offseason and I don’t think the offers get better this offseason.

Comparing this to the Kwahi situation would be like the Spurs expecting Lebron or Durant for injured and disgruntled Kawhi instead of a lesser player and draft assets. Completely illogical and just wishful thinking.

You are missing half of the point. Yes teams would ideally like to get Simmons for some random pieces and a protected pick. But the Sixers would also like to get an upgrade for Simmons. A trade requires two willing part. The Sixers will wait until they find a team that is forced to trade their star, or they might be forced themselve to trade Simmons for wahtever reason. They are not going to willingly take players like CJ, Russell etc unless they get enough picks to trade for a star shortly after.

Morey's plan might fail but i dont get why people here, non SIxers fans, are so fixated with Morey making (and losing) a trade now. Other teams have pressure and are not doing well too but people dont write post after post blaming their GM for not making a bad trade.

madmaxmedia wrote:

docholliday99 wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33052865/sources-ben-simmons-agent-meets-philadelphia-76ers-sides-no-closer-resolution

"Daryl, teams are saying we're asking too much for Ben, what should we do?"

"Ask for more!"

You eye roll though it makes sense to me...if you're asking price for your product is 100 and everyone is coming in with offers at 70-80, then jack the price to 120-130 and see if you can get to 90-100

For myself, Morey increasing his price for Simmons is suggesting multiple suitors are in play - or at the very least, the illusion of it. I'd be surprised, shocked really, if Simmons was still on the roster past the deadline - Embiid will be 28 soon and with his injury history I wouldn't be wasting his prime years.

That makes absolutely no sense and isn't done in any market, whether it's real estate or your old wardrobe on Poshmark.

Castle Black wrote:

Big J wrote:Sixers fans are smart. It's better to let Ben rot than to trade him for trash.

Normally I’d agree with this as well cause I hate giving into prima donna athlete’s demands. But they have a Top-6 player in the league in Embiid, who’s in the middle of his prime. You can’t waste that. You HAVE to try and capitalize on that, even if it’s a discount (which it will have to be — there’s just no way Philly can get fair compensation for Ben Simmons anymore).

Just trade him to a team like Indiana, who can offer a package of Sabonis or Myles Turner + Chris Duarte + Caris Lavert for Simmons and pick(s) if necessary and be done with it. You get 3 players who become immediate contributors for a championship run. The Sabonis fit is a weird but you can make it work, especially since he and Embiid are interchangeable. Worst case scenario, they give you trade pieces to operate this off-season or next year.

This Ben Simmons thing is 100% a distraction to that team and it’s time to move on from this media circus.

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sfballa13 wrote:

VDT wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
No what most people are looking at the situation as what it is, not what Morey and delusional Sixers fans want it to be. Think about it logically as you say, if I’m Boston, Hawks or Wizards and desperate, I’m not trading my best or second best player for someone who I’m going to get for half a season, I don’t know how he will fit into my system and could potentially make my situation worse because now you have to rely on Ben Simmons as your best player.

Now the Kings, Wolves, Trailblazers would be willing to trade Fox, Russell, Mcollum but apparently that’s an insulting offer that offends Morey’s delicate sensibilities.

It’s a different story if you trade for Ben during the offseason when you have the draft, free agency, training camp and preseason to shape your team and implement a system. Morey didn’t want to take the highest offer last offseason and I don’t think the offers get better this offseason.

Comparing this to the Kwahi situation would be like the Spurs expecting Lebron or Durant for injured and disgruntled Kawhi instead of a lesser player and draft assets. Completely illogical and just wishful thinking.

You are missing half of the point. Yes teams would ideally like to get Simmons for some random pieces and a protected pick. But the Sixers would also like to get an upgrade for Simmons. A trade requires two willing part. The Sixers will wait until they find a team that is forced to trade their star, or they might be forced themselve to trade Simmons for wahtever reason. They are not going to willingly take players like CJ, Russell etc unless they get enough picks to trade for a star shortly after.

Morey's plan might fail but i dont get why people here, non SIxers fans, are so fixated with Morey making (and losing) a trade now. Other teams have pressure and are not doing well too but people dont write post after post blaming their GM for not making a bad trade.

Sixers would be lucky to get equal pieces back in a return for Simmons, an upgrade over Simmons is simply out of the question.

While other teams like Atlanta or the Wolves may be under pressure to improve, they dont have a ticking injury time bomb in Embiid on their roster.

Sixers are 5th in the East and have basically the same record as the Cavs, Wizards, Raptors. If you told Sixers' fans or any NBA fan that the Sixers would drop from #1 to nearly the bottom of the conference they would have laughed at you.

Morey held out for too long, he insulted GMs for years with terrible offers, and now he is paying the price.

My fave is when people try to insinuate the the NBA benefits in any way shape or form from a young star player sitting out an entire season.

This whole saga is a huge blemish to the NBA and especially to Silver's record as commissioner and will have bad consequences for the owners in the next NBPA agreement

Pointgod wrote:

VDT wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
No what most people are looking at the situation as what it is, not what Morey and delusional Sixers fans want it to be. Think about it logically as you say, if I’m Boston, Hawks or Wizards and desperate, I’m not trading my best or second best player for someone who I’m going to get for half a season, I don’t know how he will fit into my system and could potentially make my situation worse because now you have to rely on Ben Simmons as your best player.

Now the Kings, Wolves, Trailblazers would be willing to trade Fox, Russell, Mcollum but apparently that’s an insulting offer that offends Morey’s delicate sensibilities.

It’s a different story if you trade for Ben during the offseason when you have the draft, free agency, training camp and preseason to shape your team and implement a system. Morey didn’t want to take the highest offer last offseason and I don’t think the offers get better this offseason.

Comparing this to the Kwahi situation would be like the Spurs expecting Lebron or Durant for injured and disgruntled Kawhi instead of a lesser player and draft assets. Completely illogical and just wishful thinking.

You are missing half of the point. Yes teams would ideally like to get Simmons for some random pieces and a protected pick. But the Sixers would also like to get an upgrade for Simmons. A trade requires two willing part. The Sixers will wait until they find a team that is forced to trade their star, or they might be forced themselve to trade Simmons for wahtever reason. They are not going to willingly take players like CJ, Russell etc unless they get enough picks to trade for a star shortly after.

Morey's plan might fail but i dont get why people here, non SIxers fans, are so fixated with Morey making (and losing) a trade now. Other teams have pressure and are not doing well too but people dont write post after post blaming their GM for not making a bad trade.

I’d agree with your analysis of Morey’s plan if Simmons was playing right now and in good standing around the league. But Simmons has asked out, teams aren’t stupid and they know Simmons has asked out. What exposed Morey’s bluff is that Simmons is apparently a crazy **** that’s willing to sit out and burn millions of dollars.

Let’s go back through the history of the NBA. When has an allstar player who’s asked for a trade gotten a better player in return? Go back and look at the major trades over the past 10 years, 20 years. It doesn’t happen because GMs aren’t complete idiots, they know once a player has publicly made a trade demand, the team trading them loses some leverage. I’d say the Simmons has even less value because he’s on track to not play the whole year and there’s a risk he could pull the same stunt with whatever team trades for him. If I’m trading my best player it’s to either rebuild and get assets like the Harden trade or get a lesser player that keeps me competitive and assets like the Kawahi trade. What Morey is trying to do is get 1.50 on the dollar for a guy who’s literally refusing to play for you. Complete insanity.

VDT wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

VDT wrote:

You are missing half of the point. Yes teams would ideally like to get Simmons for some random pieces and a protected pick. But the Sixers would also like to get an upgrade for Simmons. A trade requires two willing part. The Sixers will wait until they find a team that is forced to trade their star, or they might be forced themselve to trade Simmons for wahtever reason. They are not going to willingly take players like CJ, Russell etc unless they get enough picks to trade for a star shortly after.

Morey's plan might fail but i dont get why people here, non SIxers fans, are so fixated with Morey making (and losing) a trade now. Other teams have pressure and are not doing well too but people dont write post after post blaming their GM for not making a bad trade.

I’d agree with your analysis of Morey’s plan if Simmons was playing right now and in good standing around the league. But Simmons has asked out, teams aren’t stupid and they know Simmons has asked out. What exposed Morey’s bluff is that Simmons is apparently a crazy **** that’s willing to sit out and burn millions of dollars.

Let’s go back through the history of the NBA. When has an allstar player who’s asked for a trade gotten a better player in return? Go back and look at the major trades over the past 10 years, 20 years. It doesn’t happen because GMs aren’t complete idiots, they know once a player has publicly made a trade demand, the team trading them loses some leverage. I’d say the Simmons has even less value because he’s on track to not play the whole year and there’s a risk he could pull the same stunt with whatever team trades for him. If I’m trading my best player it’s to either rebuild and get assets like the Harden trade or get a lesser player that keeps me competitive and assets like the Kawahi trade. What Morey is trying to do is get 1.50 on the dollar for a guy who’s literally refusing to play for you. Complete insanity.

What's your point here?. That Morey should willingly lose the trade because other teams (not all, maybe not most) in the same situation were forced to make a bad trade?
I am not even sure what people are arguing for. That Morey had some reasonable offers but he did not take them because of his pride or because he wants to win every trade? I find that view a bit naive. Or that he should accept his fate and make a bad trade because a team in the past was forced to do it? Every situation is different, the Sixers still have their main star so they are not looking for a rebuild but to actually get better (attaching some picks to get an upgrade likely). Maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. I am not sure what purpose a bad trade serves right now. For the Sixers waiting is still better than making a bad trade.

Also Simmons value is really irrelevant with whether he is playing or not. He is still young and everyone knows what he (and cant) do, everyone knows that this "physicological issues" are not really real. Teams just thought that the Sixers would be forced to make a trade and were looking to fleece them so that they could improve their team. Which makes sense but the Sixers dont have to take their offers. If/when a team is forced to make a trade they will have to value Simmons properly and thats what Morey is waiting for.