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Can we finally give Rudy Gobert the respect he deserves for carrying the Jazz the past few years. The amount of disrespect he receives for being a top 5-10 player in the NBA is so unwarranted. He is pulling the defensive version of the 2009 LeBron carryjob on the Jazz pathetic defense. This is a team playing notable defensive sieves Joe Ingles, Donovan Mitchell, Jordan Clarkson, and Mike Conley big minutes. I don't know how he is taking that roster to a #1 defense year in year out.

its not even whitesides fault, those guys suck on the perimiter are trash. I dont think that makes him a top 10 player or the best defender in the league, but hes damn sure deserving of that DPOY award every year he plays enough games to get it.

He had been playing at a MVP level this season. Team is pretty meh without him. Basically the Kings.

The Jazz rely so heavily on Gobert defensively and his regular season impact doesn't carry over to the playoffs. It's a huge reason why they underperform in the playoffs.

again what kind of respect does he deserve? to not be made fun of for his playoff fails? to completely ignore the playoff fails and be fawned over as if we all just forgot? he gets his DPOYs, what else does he need? a defense-first big man who cant score on his own MUST win the MVP or he's being disrespected?

Tor_Raps wrote:The Jazz rely so heavily on Gobert defensively and his regular season impact doesn't carry over to the playoffs. It's a huge reason why they underperform in the playoffs.

This is 100% on Snyder and he still has not come up with a plan. I realize we don't have defensive savants on the team, but he should be able to come up with a scheme to at least get his players to try.

He honestly needs to be let go at this point. He is not capable of making adjustments and has no idea what to do defensively. He was gifted Rudy and Rudy has saved his ass.

The lack of perimeter defenders is killing the Jazz in the post season. It's not so much Gobert getting exposed, as it is the defense getting exposed. He can only do so much by himself, and when he is pulled away from the paint he is less effective, but he is not the problem. It's the coach and the lazy defense by the team that's the issue.

Rauxcee wrote:

Tor_Raps wrote:The Jazz rely so heavily on Gobert defensively and his regular season impact doesn't carry over to the playoffs. It's a huge reason why they underperform in the playoffs.

This is 100% on Snyder and he still has not come up with a plan. I realize we don't have defensive savants on the team, but he should be able to come up with a scheme to at least get his players to try.

He honestly needs to be let go at this point. He is not capable of making adjustments and has no idea what to do defensively. He was gifted Rudy and Rudy has saved his ass.

The lack of perimeter defenders is killing the Jazz in the post season. It's not so much Gobert getting exposed, as it is the defense getting exposed. He can only do so much by himself, and when he is pulled away from the paint he is less effective, but he is not the problem. It's the coach and the lazy defense by the team that's the issue.

Is it on Snyder? Look at what we are doing without Rudy...clearly if you can make the entire game about making our perimeter guys rotating you are eventually going to get a lane Rudy can't return to, that's why we lost in the Clippers series.

Rauxcee wrote:

Tor_Raps wrote:The Jazz rely so heavily on Gobert defensively and his regular season impact doesn't carry over to the playoffs. It's a huge reason why they underperform in the playoffs.

This is 100% on Snyder and he still has not come up with a plan. I realize we don't have defensive savants on the team, but he should be able to come up with a scheme to at least get his players to try.

He honestly needs to be let go at this point. He is not capable of making adjustments and has no idea what to do defensively. He was gifted Rudy and Rudy has saved his ass.

The lack of perimeter defenders is killing the Jazz in the post season. It's not so much Gobert getting exposed, as it is the defense getting exposed. He can only do so much by himself, and when he is pulled away from the paint he is less effective, but he is not the problem. It's the coach and the lazy defense by the team that's the issue.

Agreed about the reasons but I wouldn't fully blame the coach. The roster itself has some questions too.

The fact they have no answers defensively when Gobert can't be super elite is a major problem. It speaks to the rest of the roster defensively.

Then I'd also put not having a legit 2nd option to Mitchell as another reason for underperforming. Although some of that has been bad luck with injuries at the wrong time.

theforumblue wrote:again what kind of respect does he deserve? to not be made fun of for his playoff fails? to completely ignore the playoff fails and be fawned over as if we all just forgot? he gets his DPOYs, what else does he need? a defense-first big man who cant score on his own MUST win the MVP or he's being disrespected?

When will this forum learn basketball. Gobert doesn't suck in the playoffs. EVERYONE else on the team does, and then he has to make up for their garbage defense.

Watch this and don't speak such nonsense again:

babyjax13 wrote:

Rauxcee wrote:

Tor_Raps wrote:The Jazz rely so heavily on Gobert defensively and his regular season impact doesn't carry over to the playoffs. It's a huge reason why they underperform in the playoffs.

This is 100% on Snyder and he still has not come up with a plan. I realize we don't have defensive savants on the team, but he should be able to come up with a scheme to at least get his players to try.

He honestly needs to be let go at this point. He is not capable of making adjustments and has no idea what to do defensively. He was gifted Rudy and Rudy has saved his ass.

The lack of perimeter defenders is killing the Jazz in the post season. It's not so much Gobert getting exposed, as it is the defense getting exposed. He can only do so much by himself, and when he is pulled away from the paint he is less effective, but he is not the problem. It's the coach and the lazy defense by the team that's the issue.

Is it on Snyder? Look at what we are doing without Rudy...clearly if you can make the entire game about making our perimeter guys rotating you are eventually going to get a lane Rudy can't return to, that's why we lost in the Clippers series.

Yes it's Snyder. And our previous GM. Other teams make adjustments, Snyder makes none. And yes eventually there won't be a lane for Rudy to return to, but if you didn't coach your players to play turnstile defense they would be better prepared for the playoffs. He should be capable of adjustments. Both Denver and the Clips made adjustments after the Jazz had a series lead, and looked pretty dominant. Snyder had no answer other than continue to beat a dead horse. He coached the team to let players blow by them.

Dennis did the Jazz no favors by continually trading away draft picks and players on the rent a PG plan. Roster construction and having zero assets to improve is playing its part a a well.

All NBA 2nd team.

He is behind Jokic but in front of Embiid.

SwatLakeCity527 wrote:

theforumblue wrote:again what kind of respect does he deserve? to not be made fun of for his playoff fails? to completely ignore the playoff fails and be fawned over as if we all just forgot? he gets his DPOYs, what else does he need? a defense-first big man who cant score on his own MUST win the MVP or he's being disrespected?

When will this forum learn basketball. Gobert doesn't suck in the playoffs. EVERYONE else on the team does, and then he has to make up for their garbage defense.

Watch this and don't speak such nonsense again:

Watch on YouTube

and then do impressions of an awkward jr high kid trying to score on their little brother on the other end. question still remains, what kind of respect does gobert need to get for the jazz fans to be happy? simply not mocked? mvp? apparently dpoy isnt enough of a respect?

The Jazz are truly confusing and it's sad that their perimeter defense has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. They made so many deals that really have hurt them somewhat in the end:

-Mike Conley deal. I like Conley even though he's been injury prone throughout his career and I know the Jazz paid a heavy price to acquire him in the form of filler(Crowder+Korver)+Grayson Allen+2 1sts(2019+2022). They extended him which is nice but their back court is really small and if he's hurt the team looks worse as Mitchell is more of a scoring guard than a facilitator.
-Signing and then trading Derrick Favors. The Jazz blew 2 2nds to trade him to NOLA to create cap space to sign Bojan(nice player but he should be a better defender) especially as they tried to lighten up the scoring load on Mitchell, but it was baffling that they gave him the full non-taxpayer MLE at 3/30M when they needed help with perimeter defense. Yes they needed a backup C to give Gobert some rest, but Favors wasn't the guy and it cost them a 24 pro. 1st to get out of his deal and all they have is a fruitless TPE to show for it.
They should've signed Whiteside last year instead of POR to a vet min deal and it would've helped them massively.

It's a shame that Gobert wasn't able to convince Nicolas Batum to come to Utah for the MLE as he really would've been vital in helping out Utah's porous perimeter defense. After seeing what he's done for the Clippers he could've been the missing piece to get Utah over the hump due to his ability to be a jack of all trades type of player plus Royce wouldn't have been burdened with having to overcome being 6'4 and having to deal with larger wings.

Gobert deserves better than the crap he's gotten. To me he's a modern day Mutombo. I do wish he could develop a consistent mid-range jumper to go with some post moves and counters simply due to the fact that Ayton was able to destroy the Clips strategy of going small with Batum at the 5.

Clippers 5-out didnt expose Gobert - it exposed the Jazz bad perimeter defense

You need more context in the OP. Their record in these games and points allowed with Goober.


I do agree with you though hes an underrated star.

Mitchell is playing some OK defense, But yeah a lot of the Jazz players are guarding 3p shooters that hard that once guys get a drive its almost over without Gobert saving them. They've built a defense which relies on having the best defender in the NBA bail out 3 bad defenders checking the 3 ball hard

theforumblue wrote:

SwatLakeCity527 wrote:

theforumblue wrote:again what kind of respect does he deserve? to not be made fun of for his playoff fails? to completely ignore the playoff fails and be fawned over as if we all just forgot? he gets his DPOYs, what else does he need? a defense-first big man who cant score on his own MUST win the MVP or he's being disrespected?

When will this forum learn basketball. Gobert doesn't suck in the playoffs. EVERYONE else on the team does, and then he has to make up for their garbage defense.

Watch this and don't speak such nonsense again:

Watch on YouTube

and then do impressions of an awkward jr high kid trying to score on their little brother on the other end. question still remains, what kind of respect does gobert need to get for the jazz fans to be happy? simply not mocked? mvp? apparently dpoy isnt enough of a respect?

Not a Jazz fan.
Simple. Don't accuse Gobert for their defensive failures in the playoffs ever again. It's not his job to try to cover the perimeter all the time because his backcourt sucks.
Don't say that Mitchell is this team's best player just because he can get hot in a series. Basically, don't even think to say it.

Acknowledge that Gobert is a top3 big in the league and he's been blackballed in all Star game selections because people have no clue about defense in this era.
Acknowledge that he deserves his money and all this talk about his contract was stupid.

HypeMode wrote:Can we finally give Rudy Gobert the respect he deserves for carrying the Jazz the past few years. The amount of disrespect he receives for being a top 5-10 player in the NBA is so unwarranted. He is pulling the defensive version of the 2009 LeBron carryjob on the Jazz pathetic defense. This is a team playing notable defensive sieves Joe Ingles, Donovan Mitchell, Jordan Clarkson, and Mike Conley big minutes. I don't know how he is taking that roster to a #1 defense year in year out.

the reason gobert doesn't get respect, even though people are aware and appreciative of him, is his game - the way he moves, his visual frame, is unsightly

Honestly talking about the Jazz is kinda boring. It's just talking about Gobert constantly and there's nothing left to say. We all know they rely on him defensively, we all know what's going to happen at the end of the season too.

theforumblue wrote:again what kind of respect does he deserve? to not be made fun of for his playoff fails? to completely ignore the playoff fails and be fawned over as if we all just forgot? he gets his DPOYs, what else does he need? a defense-first big man who cant score on his own MUST win the MVP or he's being disrespected?

The respect he deserves is to be in the MVP conversation. Getting that Jazz roster to the best record in the league last year is worthy of being MVP but no one was mentioning his name.