Kyrie is one of the most overrated players of all time

[elchengue20]

Hes just not a winning player.

Great ISO scorer, but doesnt do much else. Terrible defender, mediocre passer, terrible leader. Hes not a top 20 NBA Player and not a top 100 player all time.

His actual impact on the court is much smaller than his reputation. That being sayed he's one of the most skilled players this league has ever seen and he played great in the 2016 Finals, while hitting one of the biggest shots in NBA history.

[jirrit]

We really didnt need a Kyrie thread after this game. At all. He’s never been a winning player anyway.

[AIfan3]

Meh, I don't think so. Kyrie great for what he is. A 2nd banana scorer. The problem with the Cavs (pre-Lebron v2) and Celts was that they attempted to put him in a leadership/level 1 role. He doesn't have the head for that sadly (same with Harden tbh).

[LoneyROY]

Kyrie's never been that guy.

He made a big mistake alienating Harden, because that was a perfect situation where he could put up good numbers w/o having to worry about doing anything other than his one niche.

Now he actually has to do other things than just dribble and shoot tough jumpers in order to win.

[TheLand13]

I can't wait for people to start bringing up his shot in the finals and using his stats in that series without context to prove otherwise.

[celticfan42487]

Everyone needs someone to put the ball in the hoop. That's all he is. He was overrated when people thought he was more than that, but even the most ardent of Irving stans gave up on arguing for him being more than that at least 2 years ago.

You just need players to do absolutely everything else other than score. Oh well you also need to have an MVP level guy who can keep Irving in line while he does everything he can to destroy your team.

Looks like Durant coudln't do that while Irving poisoned the chalice and got Harden to demand out.

LeBron's real GOAT statement should be how long he kept Irving in check all those years. That's incredible and something no one else has even come close to doing, at best you get one good year of Irving before he starts destroying the locker room.

[Rodwilliams]

*one of the most underrated players of all time. He doesn’t get enough respect.

[Archerbro]

pretty sure he's properly rated. he's most known for hitting a 3 pt shot at the end of 2016 in the finals in game 7 in the final minute.
I don't think anybody has ever thought of him being able to be a #1 guy on a contending team.
I think that was kinda proven/shown during his stint in Boston.

[jehosafats]

Kyrie "Uncle And1mixtape" Irving is legend. But I do tend to agree with this thread.

[Freighttrain]

I can't wait for people to start bringing up his shot in the finals and using his stats in that series without context to prove otherwise.

Haven't watched the game today, but that shot meant he was clutch, which he was. He also proved he can be great when he played alongside LeBron during that amazing game 5 2016 finals. He's just not thé guy you want leading your franchise.

[Stalwart]

Meh, I don't think so. Kyrie great for what he is. A 2nd banana scorer. The problem with the Cavs (pre-Lebron v2) and Celts was that they attempted to put him in a leadership/level 1 role. He doesn't have the head for that sadly (same with Harden tbh).

He did great as the Celtics lead guy before the injury. He proved his worth that season.

[Kobe187]

Lol what a weak take, he’s incredible offensively and can guard his man effectively. Expecting him to rebound, block shots, get steals etc. is unrealistic, he’s excellent and what he does and that’s create and score, he can bail his team out with buckets when the offence is stagnant and dead.

[whatisacenter]

It's totally subjective but I would argue he is not even the most overrated player on his own team. I would give that honor to Blake Griffin.

[TheLand13]

I can't wait for people to start bringing up his shot in the finals and using his stats in that series without context to prove otherwise.

Haven't watched the game today, but that shot meant he was clutch, which he was. He also proved he can be great when he played alongside LeBron during that amazing game 5 2016 finals. He's just not thé guy you want leading your franchise.

Yes, he's absolutely clutch. And he's absolutely a great scorer. Amazing even. But there's literally nothing else to his game. That's a serious problem.

[rtiff68]

Lol what a weak take, he’s incredible offensively and can guard his man effectively. Expecting him to rebound, block shots, cause steals etc. is unrealistic, he’s excellent and what he does and that’s create and score, he can bail his team out with buckets when the offence is stagnant and dead.

You might be the first person I have ever seen try this take.

You kind of slipped it in there...for good reason, lol.

[dribble1614]

yes he is very overrated. never understood the 'superstar' label some attached to him. nets should've traded him away first chance they had and kept harden. healthy durant and harden with whatever would've been unstoppable. kyrie is just an overrated distraction who isn't good enough to justify the off court issues.

[SuperDeluxe]

I can't wait for people to start bringing up his shot in the finals and using his stats in that series without context to prove otherwise.

Haven't watched the game today, but that shot meant he was clutch, which he was. He also proved he can be great when he played alongside LeBron during that amazing game 5 2016 finals. He's just not thé guy you want leading your franchise.

Yes, he's absolutely clutch. And he's absolutely a great scorer. Amazing even. But there's literally nothing else to his game. That's a serious problem.

He does complement that nothingness nicely with superior leadership skills on and off the court. He brings sage to the games, also a big plus.

[Freighttrain]

I can't wait for people to start bringing up his shot in the finals and using his stats in that series without context to prove otherwise.

Haven't watched the game today, but that shot meant he was clutch, which he was. He also proved he can be great when he played alongside LeBron during that amazing game 5 2016 finals. He's just not thé guy you want leading your franchise.

Yes, he's absolutely clutch. And he's absolutely a great scorer. Amazing even. But there's literally nothing else to his game. That's a serious problem.

True, but being a great scorer is probably the best attribute you can have in the NBA, and he has goat handles so he doesn't need his speed or quickness to blow by his defenders. I'm not the biggest Kyrie fan, but I wouldn't want to face him in an elimination playoff game cause I know he can light it up. On the other hand in a 7 game series, he'll probably have a dud or two as well. I do think there is a consensus about what Kyrie brings on the floor.

[Johnny Firpo]

You might be the first person I have ever seen try this take.

You kind of slipped it in there...for good reason, lol.

You know when I saw Kyrie play good defense? Actually good defense? 2015 finals, game 1, before he went down. Honestly, he was great in that game. Not once I saw him get close to that effort before or since.

[Kobe187]

Lol what a weak take, he’s incredible offensively and can guard his man effectively. Expecting him to rebound, block shots, cause steals etc. is unrealistic, he’s excellent and what he does and that’s create and score, he can bail his team out with buckets when the offence is stagnant and dead.

You might be the first person I have ever seen try this take.

You kind of slipped it in there...for good reason, lol.

He is definitely capable of defending well, only time he has trouble is on the switch when he has to guard a bigger player but that’s the same with most smaller Pg’s like Curry, Trae etc.

He’s a proven scorer, that can score in a variety of different ways, excellent inside, mid-range and from the 3. He’s so hard to guard against because he’s so versatile offensively, hits big shots consistently when guarded extremely hard in the playoffs.