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Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 4:59 am
by ThomYorke
We went through the years of the Heat and Warriors going through Free Agency to build dynasty teams to great effect. Now we are seeing that the recent attempts in the Lakers and Nets are not going to plan. Teams like the Suns, Bucks, Grizzlies and Celtics are now building through the traditional method of smart drafting and the odd free agency signing. Is this now going to be once again the best way to build a contending team?
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:04 am
by GSWFan1994
Not at all.
Some guys will always try to find a shortcut, it's part of human nature.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:08 am
by Capn'O
You have to have parts that fit.
Garnett, Allen, Pierce or Curry, Klay, KD, Dray in their prime would still kill. As would the Heatles on talent alone. But you have to get good role players still. Curry was on a team friendly contract. The Heatles took less money. The Celtics had some shrewd late picks. You need the right circumstances for a super team and can't just cobble stars together.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 7:54 am
by Gorilla Monsoon
Actually, it's only just begun...
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 7:57 am
by tarantism
The Warriors built organically and then added with an "odd" free agent signing (KD). What's the difference between that and what these other teams are doing?
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Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:06 am
by Stalwart
Give it some time and let some of these younger guys start to feel the pressure to win a title the way Lebron & KD did. I think we'll start to see some colluding amongst the younger players in a few years.
However, it's refreshing to see the NBA the way it is right now with most of their top guys leading their own franchises. Giannis in Mil, Jokic in Den, Embiid in Philly, Tatum in Bos, Morant in Memphis, Lamelo in Charlotte, Luka in Dallas, Derozan in Chicago, Kat in Minn, Trea in Atlanta, Booker in Pheonix, Jimmy in Miami, Lillard in Portland, Mitchell & Rudy in Utah.
I like it.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:09 am
by tundraknight
Nope the Lakers and Nets were both hailed as Super Teams and predicated to be the Finals Match Up.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 10:00 am
by boomershadow
ThomYorke wrote:. Is this now going to be once again the best way to build a contending team?
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 10:08 am
by TinmanZBoy
After LeBron and KD both are done, that era will be over…
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 11:23 am
by kobe tier
No
Look at Utah, Mitchell is done, he gonna go form a superteam to win a chip and some respect.
All you need is some players who realise you need to go to LA or other big markets to make sponsorship bank, legacy, chips, etc
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 11:37 am
by jokeboy86
TBD. The supermax probably killed any chance of it happening again via FA ala the Heat. The KD to GSW thing is a once in a lifetime thing imo where everything lined up perfectly same thing with Lebron rejoining CLE after they draft Irving and also managed to get the pick to acquire Love. Even for the Nets/Harden trade, BKN had to have the assets and HOU had to play ball cause of his attitude but Harden is out of his prime. I still think we’ll see “stars” team up but it’ll probably go back to just being duos. You’re always going to have vets teaming up at the end of their careers but no more 3 guys in their prime joining up.
Another thing why the super teams havent been successful everytime is because there always seems to be health issues with one of the core 3. GS got lucky that Klay could always be counted on to be healthy(pre injury)if KD or Curry got hurt or sat out to hold fort till they got back. Lebron was an iron man and had Bosh when Wade declined. A super team with KD/Kyrie/AD leading will never be a dynasty because they always seem to get hurt when least expected.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 11:49 am
by Myth
No, it is just that the current attempts at superteams aren’t going that well (Lakers, Nets). But I expect new ones to form eventually that do succeed. Nets still have a chance if theirs ever gets healthy.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 11:54 am
by Godymas
no, the entire world saw what happened when KD joined the Warriors. Somewhere out there, there exists a franchise which has money to spend and drafted stars accumulated and they are just..one..piece away from becoming the next all time great dynasty
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Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:07 pm
by Fencer reregistered
jokeboy86 wrote:
Another thing why the super teams havent been successful everytime is because there always seems to be health issues with one of the core 3. GS got lucky that Klay could always be counted on to be healthy(pre injury)if KD or Curry got hurt or sat out to hold fort till they got back. Lebron was an iron man and had Bosh when Wade declined. A super team with KD/Kyrie/AD leading will never be a dynasty because they always seem to get hurt when least expected.
Garnett's injury is blamed for limiting the Celtics to one championship. There's a lot of truth in that.
That said, they probably would have won another if Perkins hadn't blown out his knee in Game 6 of the Finals. And it's not like they had good health up to that point; Ron Artest had done Ron Artest things to Ray Allen earlier in the series -- IIRC it was a thigh injury -- and Allen was playing pretty ineffectively.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:51 pm
by RoyceDa59
When LeBron goes to Golden State & Beal to Philly in the off season, it’ll be back in full force.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:54 pm
by druggas
Fencer reregistered wrote:jokeboy86 wrote:
Another thing why the super teams havent been successful everytime is because there always seems to be health issues with one of the core 3. GS got lucky that Klay could always be counted on to be healthy(pre injury)if KD or Curry got hurt or sat out to hold fort till they got back. Lebron was an iron man and had Bosh when Wade declined. A super team with KD/Kyrie/AD leading will never be a dynasty because they always seem to get hurt when least expected.
Garnett's injury is blamed for limiting the Celtics to one championship. There's a lot of truth in that.
That said, they probably would have won another if Perkins hadn't blown out his knee in Game 6 of the Finals. And it's not like they had good health up to that point; Ron Artest had done Ron Artest things to Ray Allen earlier in the series -- IIRC it was a thigh injury -- and Allen was playing pretty ineffectively.
Lakers injuries are blamed for the Celts getting even one championship.
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:59 pm
by tripa
RoyceDa59 wrote:When LeBron goes to Golden State & Beal to Philly in the off season, it’ll be back in full force.
I would love to see Evil Lebron make a return
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:59 pm
by Fencer reregistered
druggas wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:jokeboy86 wrote:
Another thing why the super teams havent been successful everytime is because there always seems to be health issues with one of the core 3. GS got lucky that Klay could always be counted on to be healthy(pre injury)if KD or Curry got hurt or sat out to hold fort till they got back. Lebron was an iron man and had Bosh when Wade declined. A super team with KD/Kyrie/AD leading will never be a dynasty because they always seem to get hurt when least expected.
Garnett's injury is blamed for limiting the Celtics to one championship. There's a lot of truth in that.
That said, they probably would have won another if Perkins hadn't blown out his knee in Game 6 of the Finals. And it's not like they had good health up to that point; Ron Artest had done Ron Artest things to Ray Allen earlier in the series -- IIRC it was a thigh injury -- and Allen was playing pretty ineffectively.
Lakers injuries are blamed for the Celts getting even one championship.
To whom? Drummond?
Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:02 pm
by druggas
Fencer reregistered wrote:druggas wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:
Garnett's injury is blamed for limiting the Celtics to one championship. There's a lot of truth in that.
That said, they probably would have won another if Perkins hadn't blown out his knee in Game 6 of the Finals. And it's not like they had good health up to that point; Ron Artest had done Ron Artest things to Ray Allen earlier in the series -- IIRC it was a thigh injury -- and Allen was playing pretty ineffectively.
Lakers injuries are blamed for the Celts getting even one championship.
To whom? Drummond?
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Re: Is the 'Super-Team' era over?
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:09 pm
by HabsAndDubs
They’re not over, people just realized you still need a top 5-10 player for it to make it work. A Lebron or Steph or KD super team works, but a team with just 3 stars will not, because those teams still lose to teams like Milwaukee that just has one superstar and a couple other very good players.
I don’t know what the clippers will look like next year, but with PG and Kawhi healthy and the same supporting pieces as this year, they could very well bring super teams back into fashion next year.