Luka about to be 2nd all time in career 27-8-8 seasons

[HotRocks34]

Credit to Bleacher Report's Andy Bailey (@AndrewDBailey on Twitter) for making me aware of this.

Luka is about to finish his third 27-8-8 season. How rare is that stat line for a season? Extremely rare. In fact, when Luka (3 games left; he's already assured to get these stats) hits the mark he'll be #2 all-time in career 27-8-8 seasons.

#1 in NBA history is Oscar Robertson with five such seasons.

Here's a list of notable players (some of the only guys in NBA/ABA history who have the necessary combination of attributes to actually attain a 27-8-8 year) and how many 27-8-8 seasons they have in their careers, along with how many seasons they have played.


1. Oscar..........5 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 14 years
2. Luka...........3 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 04 years
3. LeBron........2 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 19 years
4. Jordan........1 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 15 years
5. Wilt...........1 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 14 years
6. Westbrook...1 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 14 years
7. Harden.......1 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 13 years
8. Magic.........0 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 13 years
9. Bird...........0 seasons of 27-8-8...........played 13 years
10. Kobe........0 seasons of 27-8-8............played 20 years
11. Barkley.....0 seasons of 27-8-8............played 16 years
12. West........0 seasons of 27-8-8............played 14 years
13. Dr J.........0 seasons of 27-8-8............played 16 years
14. Jokic........0 seasons of 27-8-8............played 07 years*


Two other things of note here regarding Oscar.

First, he played in an era where the pace was much higher. For example, the average team pace (meaning more points, rebounds, assists available because more team possessions) in 1961-62 (Oscar's second year) was in the 120's. Currently, it's high 90's. Which means Luka is facing a tougher "stats landscape" than what Oscar did.

Second, Oscar got his five 27-8-8 seasons in the first five years of his career. Which could mean that if Luka is going to keep banking seasons like this, he may have to do it early in his career or else age (or other factors) might prevent him from having more such seasons.

I'm surprised that Luka is in this position so early in his career. 27-8-8 is a high-level statistical baseline. I didn't think he be able to do this much, this fast.

* = Jokic is currently at 27.0/13.7/7.9 and could well get 27-8-8 this year.

[RoxSteady]

That is very impressive. It's also not a recognized statistic.

[Myth]

How does this compare to career 27-8-7 seasons? 26–8-8 seasons? 28-9-7 seasons? These are the questions the people really want to know.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I'm glad that we've all agreed that 28/7/7 is the seemingly very specific baseline for us to use.



[Note: Yes. Doncic is amazing... basically with any type of stats we use. I just find the selection of stats we use to be amusing sometimes. For example, I'd like to know who has the most 26/9/8 games on Tuesdays when the outside temperature is between 21 and 63 degrees F.]



[Edit: Obviously, I'm not the only one. LOL.]

[Johnny Firpo]

It's pretty amazing that LeBron only had 2 of these seasons, I could have swore he had more, but checked it, and no. Not that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess still somewhat impressive.

[HotRocks34]

That is very impressive. It's also not a recognized statistic.

It's recognized if it's researched and pointed out, which Bailey obviously did.

Being so high level in three categories simultaneously is nuts IMO. This stat also gives me more respect for Oscar, who had to have the stamina (higher possession games) to get those stats in like 125-possession games for a full season. That's impressive.

Fat Boy (or former Fat Boy) has insane production. Props on that.

I'm a research freak. I love stuff like this, tidbits like this.

[HotRocks34]

How does this compare to career 27-8-7 seasons? 26–8-8 seasons? 28-9-7 seasons? These are the questions the people really want to know.

Cute, but doesn't get the job done here.

There's no way to minimize this. It's similar to Jokic chasing the 2000 points/1000 rebounds/500 assist season this year. No one ever thought about that combined data set, I'd guess, but when it's laid out it becomes clear how impressive it is.

[HotRocks34]

[Edit: Obviously, I'm not the only one. LOL.]

And, like Myth, you swung and missed Abe.

As noted above with Myth.

[HotRocks34]

It's pretty amazing that LeBron only had 2 of these seasons, I could have swore he had more, but checked it, and no. Not that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess still somewhat impressive.

Yeah. I wanted to add some original research to what Bailey did. And what I found confirmed the impressiveness of what Luka has achieved. As well as confirmed the greatness of what Oscar did.

If it was easy to do this, others would have done it. It's obviously not easy.

[AbeVigodaLive]

[Edit: Obviously, I'm not the only one. LOL.]

And, like Myth, you swung and missed Abe.

As noted above with Myth.

Hey, if you say a specific stat is the most important one... or whether a specific post hits or misses... obviously, there is no margin for disagreement. Ha.

Personally, I always thought 28 / 7 / 7 >>>>> 27 / 8 / 8.

- Oscar (6)
- James (4)
- Wilt (2)
- Westbrook (2)
- Luka (2)
- Bird (1)

And don't even get me started on those seasons where 30 / 6.6 / 7.5 is the barometer, or then we'll have to bring Harden into the mix.

[Texas Chuck]

Abe is right. This is purely arbitrary numbers chosen specifically to make Luka look unique. We already know his production is high in a number of categories, but this is a big yawn for me. Of course I watch the local Mavs broadcast every night and they always are giving us random arbitrary statistical achievements that make Luka look good.

Just a couple days ago they were telling us there were 6 30/15(assists) games this season in the Association and Luka has half of them. Like okay great I guess lol.

He's going to have video game numbers because he's ridiculously good, plays in an offensive era, and he has the ball all the time. But when we move beyond the basic counting stats, we see he's still a notch or two below the true MVP level players. But that's okay too. He's 23 and in year 4. And most players are at their best in their late 20's/early 30's.

tldr way of saying, Luka good, this stat means little

[HotRocks34]

[Edit: Obviously, I'm not the only one. LOL.]

And, like Myth, you swung and missed Abe.

As noted above with Myth.

Hey, if you say a specific stat is the most important one... or whether a specific post hits or misses... obviously, there is no margin for disagreement. Ha.

Personally, I always thought 28 / 7 / 7 >>>>> 27 / 8 / 8.

- Oscar (6)
- James (4)
- Wilt (2)
- Westbrook (2)
- Luka (2)
- Bird (1)

And don't even get me started on those seasons where 30 / 6.6 / 7.5 is the barometer, or then we'll have to bring Harden into the mix.

It's all good. It's much easier to tear down -- or be sarcastic, in this case -- than to build up (or do research and share it).

Know what I mean?

I've got seniority here on you and Myth. Been dealing with peanut gallery comments like you guys' for a long time.

No problem. Light work here, not an issue for me in the least. Keep chirping, maybe you'll fish out a few and-1's.

Whatever you do, don't do any original research (or share others' original research) and contribute anything of that manner to the board. You definitely don't want to do that. Just stay in the snark lane. That'll do just fine.

It was fun. But you and Myth have gotten enough of my attention for now.

[Texas Chuck]

It's pretty amazing that LeBron only had 2 of these seasons, I could have swore he had more, but checked it, and no. Not that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess still somewhat impressive.

Yeah. I wanted to add some original research to what Bailey did. And what I found confirmed the impressiveness of what Luka has achieved. As well as confirmed the greatness of what Oscar did.

If it was easy to do this, others would have done it. It's obviously not easy.

Myth and Abe aren't saying its easy. They are saying its arbitrary.

They are correct.

And you are fooling only yourself if you don't understand specific cutoffs were chosen to make Luka stand out.

[dygaction]

What's more impressive to me is by next month he is going to have the same 3x 1st team all-nba selections with other all time greats, like Kawhi, Nash, Pippen, and Bill Russell. DRob, Dirk, KG, CP3 and Curry all have 4.

[AbeVigodaLive]

And, like Myth, you swung and missed Abe.

As noted above with Myth.

Hey, if you say a specific stat is the most important one... or whether a specific post hits or misses... obviously, there is no margin for disagreement. Ha.

Personally, I always thought 28 / 7 / 7 >>>>> 27 / 8 / 8.

- Oscar (6)
- James (4)
- Wilt (2)
- Westbrook (2)
- Luka (2)
- Bird (1)

And don't even get me started on those seasons where 30 / 6.6 / 7.5 is the barometer, or then we'll have to bring Harden into the mix.

It's all good. It's much easier to tear down -- or be sarcastic, in this case -- than to build up (or do research and share it).

Know what I mean?

I've got seniority here on you and Myth. Been dealing with peanut gallery comments like you guys' for a long time.

No problem. Light work here, not an issue for me in the least. Keep chirping, maybe you'll fish out a few and-1's.

Whatever you do, don't do any original research (or share others' original research) and contribute anything of that manner to the board. You definitely don't want to do that. Just stay in the snark lane. That'll do just fine.

It was fun. But you and Myth have gotten enough of my attention for now.

I literally just provided research.




[Note: Feel free to check my posting history for other original statistical comparisons I've shared... heck... you might even find some from today and yesterday amid all the snark and peanut gallery comments I'm apparently known for.]

[HotRocks34]

I literally just provided research.

Fair point. My bad, was on the phone when I made the post and skimmed it too fast.

Do appreciate the research though. That's much better than just snark IMO.

I hope that in the future it doesn't take a response to snark to get a research-based response.

Anyone can check my post history. I'm heavily research based. In general, I prefer informed discussions as compared with posts that come off like and-1 fishing or peanut gallery snark.

Because I was wrong about your post, I was obligated to respond to you.

[Egg Nog]

Was surprised that Jokic wasn't even on the list. Hooray for arbitrary cutoffs.

Last year he had 26.4/10.8/8.2 (missed by 0.6 points)
This year he has 27.0/13.7/7.9 (missed by 0.1 assists)

[HotRocks34]

Was surprised that Jokic wasn't on the list at all. Hooray for arbitrary cutoffs.

Last year he had 26.4/10.8/8.2 (missed by 0.6 points)
This year he has 27.0/13.7/7.9 (missed by 0.1 assists)

Jokic will be fine. He'll soon be the sole member of the 2000/1000/500 Season club. He's just 31 points away, I think.

I will add him to the list, though, because he has the ability to have such a year.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I literally just provided research.

Fair point. My bad, was on the phone when I made the post and skimmed it too fast.

Do appreciate the research though. That's much better than just snark IMO.

I hope that in the future it doesn't take a response to snark to get a research-based response.

Anyone can check my post history. I'm heavily research based. I prefer informed discussions as compared with posts that come off like and-1 fishing or peanut gallery snark.

Because I was wrong about your post, I was obligated to respond to you.

Irony.

And hubris.

[HotRocks34]

I literally just provided research.

Fair point. My bad, was on the phone when I made the post and skimmed it too fast.

Do appreciate the research though. That's much better than just snark IMO.

I hope that in the future it doesn't take a response to snark to get a research-based response.

Anyone can check my post history. I'm heavily research based. I prefer informed discussions as compared with posts that come off like and-1 fishing or peanut gallery snark.

Because I was wrong about your post, I was obligated to respond to you.

Irony.

And hubris.

Like I said above, you've gotten enough attention for now. I only responded again because I was wrong about your post so the honorable thing to do, by me, was to own the mistake.

Take care.