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For the season, Embiid is at 11.8 FTAs, Giannis is at 11.4, and Jokic is at 6.3. That's a huge disparity. Watching these playoffs, you can tell Jokic is getting hacked more without getting calls. I could understand Giannis because he's always driving and banging down low. Embiid's disparity is more baffling to me. Jokic takes a higher percentage.of shots at 0-3 ft, and a MUCH higher percentage 3-10 ft, so he's down low more often.

Is this strictly because of their styles of play? Does Jokic not embellish contact enough?

As a scorer he doesn’t put the pressure on the defense like Giannis or Embiid.

Well watching Giannis all he needs to do is get the ball and run to the rim and you get a foul call. I think Jokic has to face up more and go towards the basket. Do pump fakes from the free throw line and rush to the basket

Because he doesnt need it

Giannis attacks the basket every other play so his free throw rate makes sense

Joel is the biggest foul baiter and flopping big in Nba history. He even called himself the Harden of bigs years ago. He makes Vlade Divac look like Steven Adams when it comes to flopping and foul baiting

Giannis is constantly driving to the rim, while Embiid is more face up instead of back to the basket, plus he is very adept doing rip through move, he knows the exct moment of when to get his shot off so that he makes contact with defender's arm.

1. Difference between attacking face up and back up is huge
2. Flopping
3. Selling fouls

This to me is one reason why he's MVP. He has a similar or better touch around the paint than these two and gets much less of a benefit of the doubt.

Now if only he and Malone can stop complaining and just play.

SpreeS wrote:1. Difference between attacking face up and back up is huge

It's this. Refs allow more defensive contact when offense is initiating so much in backdowns.

Maybe it’s just me, but it feels like Jokic is playing a lot more in the post and backing players down compared to past years?

Definitely if he wants more calls he’s gonna have to face up and attack more. Going straight at players and getting your arms mixed into theirs. Not allowing them to go straight up as much.

Embiid falls down at the drop of a hat while Jokic doesn't. You probably didn't see it but look at civil case of FVV vs Embiid in the first half of last game, or Embiid falling down off ball early in the game and putting a foul on Siakam (though I didn't see the foul either way, I think I can safely assume some nefarious trickery on Embiid's behalf). Embiid is a crafty trickster in the same mindset/nature of Harden, and Jokic just plays straight up.

Sun Tzu say: When big man fall down, zebra blow whistle.

Bum Adebayo wrote:Giannis is constantly driving to the rim, while Embiid is more face up instead of back to the basket, plus he is very adept doing rip through move, he knows the exct moment of when to get his shot off so that he makes contact with defender's arm.

It's this ^

Jokic doesn't actively seek contact, Embiid does - he looks for the foul, and exaggerates contact when it occurs.

Embiid would have Green in foul trouble in the first quarter - when Green pushes you in the back while fighting for position, just fall down and the refs will whistle it.

Isn’t it obvious? Jokic scores with finesse/skill whereas those other two score with sheer size & strength.

RoyceDa59 wrote:Isn’t it obvious? Jokic scores with finesse/skill whereas those other two score with sheer size & strength.

youre pretty spot on this one. Jokic is very physical with his back to the basket, then turns over his shoulder and either shoots over a defender, or around them. joel is going straight through the defenders arms in an attempt to draw a foul, and giannis is getting to the line because he is goingg to easily lay or dunk the ball if not fouled, and hes an inconsistent free throw shooter.

Fouls in basketball are about the affect of contact on a shooters speed balance rhythm and quickness (SBRQ) and because of how jokic reacts to contact in comparison to the other two players, he often gets hit and doesnt get the call. This is part of why teams dont go to the bigs in the post as often anymore. its a lot of work to get a 2 point shot that might miss.

To get these calls jokic feels he should be getting he needs to do a few things

1. for example on his drop step/ up& under move, go through the defenders arms and body instead of around them to the open space,
2.shoot less jump hooks over the defenders, and attack on the faceup more. this will result in a lower 2pt fg% for him though.
3.show more of an affect when he gets hit in a shooting motion.
4. more ripthroughs, pumpfakes,and shots while in motion

Cubbies2120 wrote:

Bum Adebayo wrote:Giannis is constantly driving to the rim, while Embiid is more face up instead of back to the basket, plus he is very adept doing rip through move, he knows the exct moment of when to get his shot off so that he makes contact with defender's arm.

It's this ^

Jokic doesn't actively seek contact, Embiid does - he looks for the foul, and exaggerates contact when it occurs.

Embiid would have Green in foul trouble in the first quarter - when Green pushes you in the back while fighting for position, just fall down and the refs will whistle it.

Maybe Jokic should just start doing that because in the end the media will remember how you fouled out the great Draymond. Or how you dominated at the free throw line. They won’t remember “oh he flopped or seeked fouls so much and over exaggerated” when it comes to great players legacies.

And then there is this



Famous 5 fauls in game 1 of WCF

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Jokic primarily draws his fouls from the post with his back to the basket, and his main move is simply to turn into the defender and shoot a hook. He initiates most of the contact, and most of the contact is with the body, not the arms. I'm not saying he shouldn't get more foul calls, but it's much easier to call a foul when a guy is attacking the rim and gets contact across the arms.

TokeBulls wrote:For the season, Embiid is at 11.8 FTAs, Giannis is at 11.4, and Jokic is at 6.3. That's a huge disparity. Watching these playoffs, you can tell Jokic is getting hacked more without getting calls. I could understand Giannis because he's always driving and banging down low. Embiid's disparity is more baffling to me. Jokic takes a higher percentage.of shots at 0-3 ft, and a MUCH higher percentage 3-10 ft, so he's down low more often.

Is this strictly because of their styles of play? Does Jokic not embellish contact enough?

You can't get fouled in today's nba if you're backing up to the basket. It's that simple and it's why we don't see back to the basket centers anymore. This isn't the 90's where you'd get called for hacking a big in the post. Today it's game on against anyone trying to post up.

Giannis attacks the rim from the perimeter much like a guard does and the game is made to allow small guards be good, it has been for the past 20 years with very soft calls.

Embiid flops every other play.

Jokic plays the game honestly as a post player.

So that's basically the difference. He can't attack the rim like Greek Freak to get the fouls so to get them he'd have to be a flopper like Embiid to get them at that rate.

Refs are just flat out stupid and reward flopping. Embiids falls more than AD and has become really good at selling any contact. If Jokic flopped as frequently as Embiid, he'd get there too.