Defining "Superstar"

[WintaSoldier1]

Too far often on this forum do I see a player being deemed as a "Superstar"
For example, There's a Forum if Rudy Gobert is a "Superstar", When the posts within the forum create the idea of All-Star Vs Non-All Star instead of the "Superstar" Status bestowed within the Title.

Defining a Superstar: Someone Who Can be a First Option on a Championship Team. OR an Elite Level Floor Raiser(What Jokic has Done this year).
I"m not saying Jokic can't be a First Option on a Championship Team, I'm saying he's been a Elite Floor Raiser as Well.

There's only 7-8-9 Superstars Within the NBA At a Given Time, and Superstar Status is Gained and Lost in the Playoffs, no other time the credentials to be a superstar are as followed,

Elite Scorer + Elite Defender/Elite Playmaker
You HAVE to be a Elite Scorer to be a Superstar at the first hand, and you have to be a Elite Defender(Giannis) or an Elite Playmaker(Luka)

The one, possible "exception" to this rule in the NBA right now is Curry, Who doesn't have Elite Defense nor Direct Elite Playmaking, but his Gravity he generates and uses in the GSW Warriors Offense makes others around him Elite/Great Playmakers, So he fits within the Category himself. I'll let you determine and Discuss who's a Superstar within the NBA and Who's not, but Here's the List.

Superstars(Not in a Particular Order atm)
1.Giannis
2.KD
3.Jokic
4.Embidd
5.Luka
6.Curry
7.Kawhi(When Healthy)
8. AD (With Elite Playmaker on his Team, See Years With Rondo and LBJ, See Years without Rondo or LBJ)
9. LBJ(Argument could be made he's not anymore, but he's a perpetual superstar until Hard Evidence Proves Otherwise)
10. Harden( He may not deserve to be here, but until he fails within the playoffs he cannot be deemed a non-superstar, we Haven't gotten a large enough glimpse of Playoff Harden Post-Houston Yet )
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On the Bubble/Possible Superstars after this Playoffs:
Tatum( Possible Superstar After Playoffs; Time will Tell).
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Everyone Else, is a High Tier All-Star or Below.
Golden Rule of the Playoffs: You aren't going to win a Ring without A Superstar.

[GrindCityHustle]

You dont have to be an elite defender if the rest of the team picks up the slack.

[Godymas]

Jimmy Butler is the first option on a championship team but he is not a superstar. You can have a championship level team with multiple stars and no real superstar.
also Harden is no longer a superstar and has an argument for never being a "true superstar" and it's disrespectful to not have Steph Curry on the list as a superstar. If you are going to discount Luka's defense you need to discount Curry's defense which is still perfectly fine today.

Superstars are players that are bigger than the game. People who don't follow the sport know who they are. That indicates another level of greatness. Kawhi went on a run in 2019 and for some people the first time they ever heard of Kawhi was because he won the ring in 2019. Today Kawhi is a superstar, but even though the NBA fans knew he was great because of DPOY and first team and Spurs years he was not a superstar.

[CS707]

Superstar is a branding thing.

[theforumblue]

curry is a bigger superstar than half the people on your list. if your definition keeps him off your list then definition probably needs tweaking.

[iLLmatic860]

I’m not convinced that Jokic is a superstar yet

[DreamTeam09]

All that **** doesn't matter. We just saw Superstar Kyrie do nothing game 2, Superstar KD as 13FGM vs 12TO after 2 games... Superstar Jokic is about to go home(no fault to his own)

You guys say this is best era for talent, I see all these guys at equal skill level with none of them really separating themselves

[Warriorfan]

My definition top 10 player who is perennial MVP candidate.

[MarcusBrody]

Superstar is a branding thing.

I agree. I think that superstar is somewhat independent of production, not totally, but somewhat. You have to have good-great production, but it's the marketing, the omnipresence, the public image that makes someone a superstar.

Jordan was a superstar even on the Wizards. He was Michael Jordan, THE superstar. LeBron similarly will be a superstar until he retires. People know him, talk about him, tune in to see him.

I'm not sure that Jokic is a superstar, even though he's clearly better than LeBron right now. I'm not sure he has captured the imagination of non-fans in the way that superstars do (even though a certain type of fan - myself included - love him).

[Lockdown504090]

chris paul isnt an elite scorer and hes a superstar, i also do think gobert is a superstar, he has playmaking with screening and is a floor raiser on defense.

[Lockdown504090]

All that **** doesn't matter. We just saw Superstar Kyrie do nothing game 2, Superstar KD as 13FGM vs 12TO after 2 games... Superstar Jokic is about to go home(no fault to his own)

You guys say this is best era for talent, I see all these guys at equal skill level with none of them really separating themselves

by his def. kyrie isnt one. not an elite playmaker or defender. just solid star

[Warriorfan]

Too far often on this forum do I see a player being deemed as a "Superstar"
For example, There's a Forum if Rudy Gobert is a "Superstar", When the posts within the forum create the idea of All-Star Vs Non-All Star instead of the "Superstar" Status bestowed within the Title.

Defining a Superstar: Someone Who Can be a First Option on a Championship Team. OR an Elite Level Floor Raiser(What Jokic has Done this year).
I"m not saying Jokic can't be a First Option on a Championship Team, I'm saying he's been a Elite Floor Raiser as Well.

There's only 7-8-9 Superstars Within the NBA At a Given Time, and Superstar Status is Gained and Lost in the Playoffs, no other time the credentials to be a superstar are as followed,

Elite Scorer + Elite Defender/Elite Playmaker
You HAVE to be a Elite Scorer to be a Superstar at the first hand, and you have to be a Elite Defender(Giannis) or an Elite Playmaker(Luka)

The one, possible "exception" to this rule in the NBA right now is Curry, Who doesn't have Elite Defense nor Direct Elite Playmaking, but his Gravity he generates and uses in the GSW Warriors Offense makes others around him Elite/Great Playmakers, So he fits within the Category himself. I'll let you determine and Discuss who's a Superstar within the NBA and Who's not, but Here's the List.

Superstars(Not in a Particular Order atm)
1.Giannis
2.KD
3.Jokic
4.Embidd
5.Luka
5.Kawhi(When Healthy)
6. AD (With Elite Playmaker on his Team, See Years With Rondo and LBJ, See Years without Rondo or LBJ)
7. LBJ(Argument could be made he's not anymore, but he's a perpetual superstar until Hard Evidence Proves Otherwise)
8. Harden( He may not deserve to be here, but until he fails within the playoffs he cannot be deemed a non-superstar, we Haven't gotten a large enough glimpse of Playoff Harden Post-Houston Yet )
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On the Bubble/Possible Superstars after this Playoffs:
Tatum( Possible Superstar After Playoffs; Time will Tell).
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Everyone Else, is a High Tier All-Star or Below.
Golden Rule of the Playoffs: You aren't going to win a Ring without A Superstar.

Pretty faulty list if you have no mention of Curry. More MVP , only unanimous in history, plus championships

Plus Curry has a better DRTG than others on your list


.https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Season=2021-22

[Bum Adebayo]

Davis is not a superstar I'm sorry, the others yes (or at least in their prime they were).

[NZB2323]

The definition of Superstar is that most grandmothers know who you are.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron are superstars.

I’m not sure there have been any other superstars in NBA history.

[Bum Adebayo]

I’m not convinced that Jokic is a superstar yet

He is, but not having a good guard that can put pressure on the rim and distribute makes it very difficult for a center to impact the game in the same way, even if he has amazing vision and IQ.

[Kobe187]

One thing this season and these playoffs have shown is that we fans overrate the impact of Superstars and underrate the impact of Role players and good team depth. Just look at the Lakers missing the play-ins with 2-3 stars and the Clippers making the play-ins without having their 2 stars. Mavericks having success without Luka. Pelicans having success without Zion. Grizzlies having success without Ja. Nets losing to Boston despite having the 2 most skilled players from either team as Boston is more well rounded. The NBA is a team game and every player has to do their part for the team to be successful. With coaching and depth players being better than ever you need more than 1-2 superstars to win at the highest level in today’s game. Complimentary players that play their role to a tee are instrumental in team success and deserve more love.

[WintaSoldier1]

Forgot about Curry in the List, The Segment of the Post was defending curry and showing how he was infact a superstar even if he didn't meet the criteria at first glance. A

[WintaSoldier1]

Too far often on this forum do I see a player being deemed as a "Superstar"
For example, There's a Forum if Rudy Gobert is a "Superstar", When the posts within the forum create the idea of All-Star Vs Non-All Star instead of the "Superstar" Status bestowed within the Title.

Defining a Superstar: Someone Who Can be a First Option on a Championship Team. OR an Elite Level Floor Raiser(What Jokic has Done this year).
I"m not saying Jokic can't be a First Option on a Championship Team, I'm saying he's been a Elite Floor Raiser as Well.

There's only 7-8-9 Superstars Within the NBA At a Given Time, and Superstar Status is Gained and Lost in the Playoffs, no other time the credentials to be a superstar are as followed,

Elite Scorer + Elite Defender/Elite Playmaker
You HAVE to be a Elite Scorer to be a Superstar at the first hand, and you have to be a Elite Defender(Giannis) or an Elite Playmaker(Luka)

The one, possible "exception" to this rule in the NBA right now is Curry, Who doesn't have Elite Defense nor Direct Elite Playmaking, but his Gravity he generates and uses in the GSW Warriors Offense makes others around him Elite/Great Playmakers, So he fits within the Category himself. I'll let you determine and Discuss who's a Superstar within the NBA and Who's not, but Here's the List.

Superstars(Not in a Particular Order atm)
1.Giannis
2.KD
3.Jokic
4.Embidd
5.Luka
5.Kawhi(When Healthy)
6. AD (With Elite Playmaker on his Team, See Years With Rondo and LBJ, See Years without Rondo or LBJ)
7. LBJ(Argument could be made he's not anymore, but he's a perpetual superstar until Hard Evidence Proves Otherwise)
8. Harden( He may not deserve to be here, but until he fails within the playoffs he cannot be deemed a non-superstar, we Haven't gotten a large enough glimpse of Playoff Harden Post-Houston Yet )
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On the Bubble/Possible Superstars after this Playoffs:
Tatum( Possible Superstar After Playoffs; Time will Tell).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone Else, is a High Tier All-Star or Below.
Golden Rule of the Playoffs: You aren't going to win a Ring without A Superstar.

Pretty faulty list if you have no mention of Curry. More MVP , only unanimous in history, plus championships

Plus Curry has a better DRTG than others on your list


.https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Season=2021-22

Yeah just Forgot to put him on the list the part about curry was me defending him and showing why he meets the criteria even if he "doesn't".

[Vampirate]

To me, a Superstar is simply a player you look at and say that player can be unquestionably be the best player on a Championship on any given year.

[meekrab]

Superstar is when casual fans debate if they're better than Kobe