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Build around Rudy Gobert 

Post#1 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue May 3, 2022 10:48 am

Best realistic team you can think, assuming he's making 30% of the cap and he's the best or at least 1b.

For instance, I would go for
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Post#2 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue May 3, 2022 10:54 am

Gobert is not 1b. He's not capable of scoring on his own other than putbacks and offensive rebounds. You can build a defense around him but you better have really good scorers because if he's 1b then your team will have problems scoring. Mutombo wasn't 1b, Tyson Chandler wasn't 1b, Ben Wallace wasn't 1b, and Gobert isn't 1b.
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Post#3 » by ryan in Maine » Tue May 3, 2022 11:13 am

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Inigo Montoya wrote:Gobert is not 1b. He's not capable of scoring on his own other than putbacks and offensive rebounds. You can build a defense around him but you better have really good scorers because if he's 1b then your team will have problems scoring. Mutombo wasn't 1b, Tyson Chandler wasn't 1b, Ben Wallace wasn't 1b, and Gobert isn't 1b.
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Post#4 » by Knightfall » Tue May 3, 2022 11:30 am

Anyway the Celtics can get him without Brown/Tatum/Smart. If so, peanut butter meet jelly.
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Post#5 » by 70sFan » Tue May 3, 2022 11:35 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:Gobert is not 1b. He's not capable of scoring on his own other than putbacks and offensive rebounds. You can build a defense around him but you better have really good scorers because if he's 1b then your team will have problems scoring. Mutombo wasn't 1b, Tyson Chandler wasn't 1b, Ben Wallace wasn't 1b, and Gobert isn't 1b.

Gobert can be the best player on the team, while being 4th best scorer at the same time. He was the best player on Utah team, despite playing next to Mitchell, Conley and Bogdanovic.
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Post#6 » by Pachinko_ » Tue May 3, 2022 11:44 am

Nope.
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Post#7 » by warriorschamps » Tue May 3, 2022 12:00 pm

You don't. Not unless he massively improve on offense. I mean even in the 90s and early 2000s when big men were far more important to team success nobody would build around a center without an offensive game so why in the world would anyone do it in 2022 when offensive wings and guards are the main drivers of team success.
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Post#8 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue May 3, 2022 12:03 pm

70sFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Gobert is not 1b. He's not capable of scoring on his own other than putbacks and offensive rebounds. You can build a defense around him but you better have really good scorers because if he's 1b then your team will have problems scoring. Mutombo wasn't 1b, Tyson Chandler wasn't 1b, Ben Wallace wasn't 1b, and Gobert isn't 1b.

Gobert can be the best player on the team, while being 4th best scorer at the same time. He was the best player on Utah team, despite playing next to Mitchell, Conley and Bogdanovic.


Of course he can be the best player on his team, but then the team won't be better than what the Jazz have shown. And there is the issue of cost--while he's a very good player, if you're paying a supermax to a player that can't create his own shot and is about to turn 30 in two months, being unable to create his own shot will limit his team's upside significantly.
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Post#9 » by 70sFan » Tue May 3, 2022 12:08 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Gobert is not 1b. He's not capable of scoring on his own other than putbacks and offensive rebounds. You can build a defense around him but you better have really good scorers because if he's 1b then your team will have problems scoring. Mutombo wasn't 1b, Tyson Chandler wasn't 1b, Ben Wallace wasn't 1b, and Gobert isn't 1b.

Gobert can be the best player on the team, while being 4th best scorer at the same time. He was the best player on Utah team, despite playing next to Mitchell, Conley and Bogdanovic.


Of course he can be the best player on his team, but then the team won't be better than what the Jazz have shown. And there is the issue of cost--while he's a very good player, if you're paying a supermax to a player that can't create his own shot and is about to turn 30 in two months, being unable to create his own shot will limit his team's upside significantly.

Seriously? I can imagine a lot of roster constructions with Gobert being the best player that are significantly better than this Jazz team. Just swap Clarkson for someone who can be their point of attack defender and they'd be significantly better.
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Post#10 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue May 3, 2022 12:17 pm

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Inigo Montoya wrote:
70sFan wrote:Gobert can be the best player on the team, while being 4th best scorer at the same time. He was the best player on Utah team, despite playing next to Mitchell, Conley and Bogdanovic.


Of course he can be the best player on his team, but then the team won't be better than what the Jazz have shown. And there is the issue of cost--while he's a very good player, if you're paying a supermax to a player that can't create his own shot and is about to turn 30 in two months, being unable to create his own shot will limit his team's upside significantly.

Seriously? I can imagine a lot of roster constructions with Gobert being the best player that are significantly better than this Jazz team. Just swap Clarkson for someone who can be their point of attack defender and they'd be significantly better.

Alas, Clarkson is the only player on the team other than Mitchell who can create his own shot. We definitely need better perimeter defenders but probably not instead of Clarkson, unless we can generate offense from another player. As a Jazz fan, I can attest the fanbase struggled with this for a long time, but it is very hard to build a better team given Gobert's massive contract.
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Post#11 » by 70sFan » Tue May 3, 2022 12:36 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
Of course he can be the best player on his team, but then the team won't be better than what the Jazz have shown. And there is the issue of cost--while he's a very good player, if you're paying a supermax to a player that can't create his own shot and is about to turn 30 in two months, being unable to create his own shot will limit his team's upside significantly.

Seriously? I can imagine a lot of roster constructions with Gobert being the best player that are significantly better than this Jazz team. Just swap Clarkson for someone who can be their point of attack defender and they'd be significantly better.

Alas, Clarkson is the only player on the team other than Mitchell who can create his own shot. We definitely need better perimeter defenders but probably not instead of Clarkson, unless we can generate offense from another player. As a Jazz fan, I can attest the fanbase struggled with this for a long time, but it is very hard to build a better team given Gobert's massive contract.

Bogdanovic can also create his shot and he's not as bad as Clarkson on defense (though still not good).

You don't think there are players with bigger contracts than Gobert who are worse than Rudy?
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Post#12 » by TheWhiteMamba » Tue May 3, 2022 12:37 pm

Best case scenario for Gobert is "Gobert to the Warriors"

Gobert isn't 1b option, simply because he doesn't have any go to move
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Post#13 » by Swish1906 » Tue May 3, 2022 12:41 pm

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Post#14 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue May 3, 2022 12:43 pm

70sFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
70sFan wrote:Seriously? I can imagine a lot of roster constructions with Gobert being the best player that are significantly better than this Jazz team. Just swap Clarkson for someone who can be their point of attack defender and they'd be significantly better.

Alas, Clarkson is the only player on the team other than Mitchell who can create his own shot. We definitely need better perimeter defenders but probably not instead of Clarkson, unless we can generate offense from another player. As a Jazz fan, I can attest the fanbase struggled with this for a long time, but it is very hard to build a better team given Gobert's massive contract.

Bogdanovic can also create his shot and he's not as bad as Clarkson on defense (though still not good).

You don't think there are players with bigger contracts than Gobert who are worse than Rudy?

There might be (but he's on contract for 4 more seasons and I think those other players are closer to expiring), but you're not building a good team around them either.

As for Bogdanovic, he is a very good shooter but he also isn't great at creating his own shot. Ask any Jazz fan--we all expect a turnover every time he starts to dribble.
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Post#15 » by turnmeup88 » Tue May 3, 2022 12:55 pm

I'd say beyond the argument of whether or not Rudy can be 1B or 2 or whatever. Any team around him requires another high level / elite perimeter defender (which is something he has never had - let that sink in).

Beyond their force on the floor this creates, having a strong overall perimeter defense would punish teams trying to run 5 out against the jazz to get Rudy off the floor the open the paint.

I'd say a starting of :
Jrue
Batum
Siakam
Myles Turner
Rudy

completed with some strong perimeter defenders on the bench would make for a solid squad.
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Post#16 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue May 3, 2022 1:02 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Gobert is not 1b. He's not capable of scoring on his own other than putbacks and offensive rebounds. You can build a defense around him but you better have really good scorers because if he's 1b then your team will have problems scoring. Mutombo wasn't 1b, Tyson Chandler wasn't 1b, Ben Wallace wasn't 1b, and Gobert isn't 1b.

Gobert can be the best player on the team, while being 4th best scorer at the same time. He was the best player on Utah team, despite playing next to Mitchell, Conley and Bogdanovic.


Of course he can be the best player on his team, but then the team won't be better than what the Jazz have shown. And there is the issue of cost--while he's a very good player, if you're paying a supermax to a player that can't create his own shot and is about to turn 30 in two months, being unable to create his own shot will limit his team's upside significantly.
Gobert is not paid the supermax, he's paid what every top30 if not top35 gets if he has enough seniority for it.

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Post#17 » by Fadeaway_Jumper » Tue May 3, 2022 1:11 pm

I dunno what that other poster is saying. There is no scenario where Gobert can be your best player and win a championship

Joakim Noah was better than Gobert and he couldn’t lead you to a deep playoff run
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Post#18 » by DrCoach » Tue May 3, 2022 1:15 pm

You can, takes good coaching and thinking out of the box
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Post#19 » by pipfan » Tue May 3, 2022 1:28 pm

Let's say the Bulls traded DDR/Vuc for Gobert and Gay
Utah gets 2 vets who can score-need a PF who can play D

But the Bulls end up with
Ball/Ayo
Lavine/Caruso
PWill/JGreen
MLE/Gay
Gobert/#18

If the MLE PF is decent, and PWill develops that could be a VERY good team. Caruso/Ball/Ayo/JGreen/PWill would be very good defenders with Gobert behind
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Post#20 » by JayMKE » Tue May 3, 2022 2:27 pm

I don't think you can build around Gobert and expert to contend, too much money for one dimensional player who has gotten exploited in the playoffs. He'd be a tremendous finishing piece for another core if they could afford him.
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