IF the Celtics don't make the Finals...what do they do in the offseason?

hugepatsfan · Post #21 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon May 16, 2022 11:05 pm

Key questions...

1) How much tax is ownership willing to pay next year. Seems impossible for them to get under unless they totally prioritize money over winning which I don't think they could justify to Tatum and Brown. They've paid tax for competitive teams before so all signs point to 22-23 being a matter of how much vs if they go into the tax.

2) Will ownership force them to dip back under the tax in '23-24 to reset the repeater rates clock ahead of Brown/Tatum extensions. They can do this because of Horford's deal, even factoring in Grant Williams' next deal.

They have a ton of trade exceptions and their whole team under contract other than 15th man Luke Kornet (literally, the other 14 are all under contract). They can make a ton of 1 year acquisitions for depth as long as ownership is ok with a high '22-23 tax bill.

If ownership isn't insistent that they get back under in '23-24, then they can get really into it. One of their TPEs is $17.1M and they'll be able to include all their future picks once the league year flips. So they an add some significant multi year piece if they want.

Post #22 » by **165bows** » Mon May 16, 2022 11:24 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Key questions...

1) How much tax is ownership willing to pay next year. Seems impossible for them to get under unless they totally prioritize money over winning which I don't think they could justify to Tatum and Brown. They've paid tax for competitive teams before so all signs point to 22-23 being a matter of how much vs if they go into the tax.

2) Will ownership force them to dip back under the tax in '23-24 to reset the repeater rates clock ahead of Brown/Tatum extensions. They can do this because of Horford's deal, even factoring in Grant Williams' next deal.

They have a ton of trade exceptions and their whole team under contract other than 15th man Luke Kornet (literally, the other 14 are all under contract). They can make a ton of 1 year acquisitions for depth as long as ownership is ok with a high '22-23 tax bill.

If ownership isn't insistent that they get back under in '23-24, then they can get really into it. One of their TPEs is $17.1M and they'll be able to include all their future picks once the league year flips. So they an add some significant multi year piece if they want.

This is pretty good. Not sure why some people seem convinced they aren't going into the tax. Dangercart went from architecting every last detail in how they could have realistically landed Durant in FA to now hoping the team signs Torrie Craig in FA.

Profound23 · Post #23 » by **Profound23** » Mon May 16, 2022 11:27 pm

Trade Tatum and Jaylen Brown to the Bucks for Middleton, Lopez, and Grayson Allen. Gives them size and more depth.

Post #24 » by **Michael Jackson** » Mon May 16, 2022 11:31 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Key questions...

1) How much tax is ownership willing to pay next year. Seems impossible for them to get under unless they totally prioritize money over winning which I don't think they could justify to Tatum and Brown. They've paid tax for competitive teams before so all signs point to 22-23 being a matter of how much vs if they go into the tax.

2) Will ownership force them to dip back under the tax in '23-24 to reset the repeater rates clock ahead of Brown/Tatum extensions. They can do this because of Horford's deal, even factoring in Grant Williams' next deal.

They have a ton of trade exceptions and their whole team under contract other than 15th man Luke Kornet (literally, the other 14 are all under contract). They can make a ton of 1 year acquisitions for depth as long as ownership is ok with a high '22-23 tax bill.

If ownership isn't insistent that they get back under in '23-24, then they can get really into it. One of their TPEs is $17.1M and they'll be able to include all their future picks once the league year flips. So they an add some significant multi year piece if they want.

You cannot let Kornet go. No chance.

strokerace · Post #25 » by **strokerace** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:01 am

Make some moves to address the lack of a reliable 5. Horford is also not going to keep up his fountain of youth bit for much longer either. Grant is looking good but we need another in the pipeline. A backup point guard with size would also be nice as much as I like PP.

Asian Celtic · Post #26 » by **Asian Celtic** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:02 am

It's the Heat who needs to get asked with these questions more given with their aging stars and Drob's 90m contract.

Cubbies2120 · Post #27 » by **Cubbies2120** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:09 am

Asian Celtic wrote:It's the Heat who needs to get asked with these questions more given with their aging stars and Drob's 90m contract.

Reason I bring it up is the Celtics have run it back with the same core for 5 years now (Tatum/Brown/Smart). The Heat made major moves in the last couple years already.

If they don't get it done this year, how many more years do you run it back with the same core? 2? 3? 4?

iLLmatic860 · Post #28 » by **iLLmatic860** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:12 am

obviously trade Brown to Knicks for Randle

Nate505 · Post #29 » by **Nate505** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:20 am

Do they need to do a lot? They seem pretty complete for the time being. Maybe if they don't win next year or the year after they try a big move.

themoneyteam2 · Post #30 » by **themoneyteam2** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:30 am

Still think they need another shooter/shot creator on the wing. They can use the Fournier $17 mil TPE to add a key piece.

The core is in great shape with two 24 and 25 yr old stars leading the way

Post #31 » by **165bows** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:32 am

The FO does have guys they like (see bringing back Horford/Theis). I think they’ll use the TPEs and some players to bring in higher value guy(s) - ie, Theis, Pritchard, Nesmith, plus their stashed guys and picks to get something done. Defensively versatile guys that can play team offense.

Though I do think they bring Yam Madar over if he’s not traded.

Ugalde · Post #32 » by **Ugalde** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:33 am

trade tatum for kyrie

RB34 · Post #33 » by **RB34** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:36 am

Keep building. Young core of drafted players.

Roger Murdock · Post #34 » by **Roger Murdock** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:37 am

If they miss their shot this year its over. Blow it up. Tatum and Brown had their shot and it doesn't work together, at least in Boston. Time to rebuild

IN:
Kevin Love (expiring)
Caris Levert (expiring)
2x seconds to make it fair

OUT:
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown

Why for Boston? Gain picks and dump bad contacts for expiring's.
Why for Cleveland? Take a chance on two proven wins (team need) who have some playoff experience.

Sound good?

hugepatsfan · Post #35 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:39 am

The Celtics don't really have a third scorer... I think you explore potentially moving one of Smart or White for a PG that can be your third scorer while still bring good, switchable defense. Jrue Holiday would be the holy grail example of the type of player you look for. A guy like Malcolm Brogdon would qualify, but his injury history is concerning. This is a tough player to find though without sacrificing their siwtch everything scheme, so might have to live without. Most likely, you can't find this guy so you just run it back here with Smart and White at PG.

Pritchard is too small for Udoka to trust him in heavy playoff minutes. But they really benefit from his spacing. With the trade exception or the MLE, a shooter with enough size to not be sought after too much on switches in playoff games would be ideal. I've been championing Kevin Huerter as a TPE candidate (sending ATL a pick too) but his contract probably too big on a multi year deal. But they should be able to find some solution here.

Theis is a good, not great backup 5. Could stand to improve, but probably not the best allocation of resources.

Horford has been a total stud for them, but he's 35. Have to think he wears down sometime soon. Grant Williams might be along ter starter, but then you need bench minutes. Finding a versatile defensive PF to replace Horford's role long term would be a great add. Difficult player to find. Maybe Jaxon Hayes from NO could grow into this?

Those are the type of players I'd be looking for. But some of those spots are tough to find so might not be doable.

celticfan42487 · Post #36 » by **celticfan42487** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:40 am

Hope to attract some ring chasers.

Ibaka would be nice.

Hope an older vet who is too good to be taking the MLE will be willing to come for the full MLE and raise the talent level. Someone like Oladipo.

Explore trades for disgruntled stars either with the Horford contract or Rob Williams. Be willing to throw 4 first rounders with them to get that last piece/all star level player to raise the floor & consistency of talent around Tatum/Brown.

srhcan · Post #37 » by **srhcan** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:47 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:Obviously the Celtics are favorites to make it out of the East according to betting odds, but in the case that they don't...

Do you run it back with the same core? Do you trade a major piece? Who would be a realistic upgrade to push the Celtics over the edge and into the Finals (if they don't make it this year)?

Think about trading Jalen Brown for better help to Tatum

JimmyPlopper · Post #38 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:49 am

srhcan wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:Obviously the Celtics are favorites to make it out of the East according to betting odds, but in the case that they don't...

Do you run it back with the same core? Do you trade a major piece? Who would be a realistic upgrade to push the Celtics over the edge and into the Finals (if they don't make it this year)?

Think about trading Jalen Brown for better help to Tatum

Maybe Jaylen for Lillard based deal?

sp6r=underrated · Post #39 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:50 am

Boston is a mild favorite in this series. They have a real advantage by point differential but Miami has home court which is valuable. Making radical moves after your team knocked off a talented Nets team in a sweep and then the defending champs in the 2nd round so no need to make a radical move unless a Gasol to LA move lands in your pocket.

Boston RS/PS Point Differential: 7.20
Miami RS/PS Point Differential: 5.06

srhcan · Post #40 » by **srhcan** » Tue May 17, 2022 12:58 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:
srhcan wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:Obviously the Celtics are favorites to make it out of the East according to betting odds, but in the case that they don't...

Do you run it back with the same core? Do you trade a major piece? Who would be a realistic upgrade to push the Celtics over the edge and into the Finals (if they don't make it this year)?

Think about trading Jalen Brown for better help to Tatum

Maybe Jaylen for Lillard based deal?

not a bad idea at all