Shaq trolls Durant over not accomplishing anything, post, Curry

[svart]

Not a really fair comment to make.

- He was injured his 1st year.
- Played amazing the 2nd year coming back from an injury that most cant recover from. Came inches away from beating the eventual Champs all by himself.
- Got injured and had to deal with idiots as teammates in his 3rd year. Now he did have a horrible playoffs so that's the only thing you can really say to him.

Not fair at all.

Still true.

[WarriorGM]

Not a really fair comment to make.

- He was injured his 1st year.
- Played amazing the 2nd year coming back from an injury that most cant recover from. Came inches away from beating the eventual Champs all by himself.
- Got injured and had to deal with idiots as teammates in his 3rd year. Now he did have a horrible playoffs so that's the only thing you can really say to him.

Those are reasons why people shouldn't be crapping on his decision to join the Warriors. Crap happens that is beyond your control that can sink you so when you have it in your control to do something, do it.

[tsherkin]

Shaq was better/more valuable to winning than Kobe.
Kobe needs to thank Shaq for those three rings, not the other way around.

This just isnt a good way to look at it. Kobe was integral to those titles. You dont need to diminish him to appreciate Shaq.

Kobe was a bus rider during those years. When he was the bus driver the team took a dip and never recovered the same kind of dominance again.

That's an entirely non-sensical description. They don't win those titles without Kobe. Yeah, he rocked the boat after the three-peat, but he was a humongous part of their dominance and success.

[Stan]

50 years from now he'll have the titles/FMVP's on his resume, but the narrative around KD regarding his career without the Warriors is legitimately only fractionally better than being ringless.

[imDatknicksTape]

every1 has their downfalls, dont forget steph was unanimous MVP and then completely shi tted the bed in the finals especially crucial games.

[Myth]

Not a really fair comment to make.

- He was injured his 1st year.
- Played amazing the 2nd year coming back from an injury that most cant recover from. Came inches away from beating the eventual Champs all by himself.
- Got injured and had to deal with idiots as teammates in his 3rd year. Now he did have a horrible playoffs so that's the only thing you can really say to him.

Didn't Durant recruit those idiots?

[Onus]

50 years from now he'll have the titles/FMVP's on his resume, but the narrative around KD regarding his career without the Warriors is legitimately only fractionally better than being ringless.

KD actually gained the most from his stint at GSW than anyone else. It's actually pretty incredible

[flow]

Hopefully Shaq thanked D Wade or he wouldn’t have accomplished anything post Kobe either.

Shaq had comfortably established himself as an ATG and never needed Wade to establish that.

Both of you are correct.

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[sp6r=underrated]

The only reason people talk about Durant not accomplishing anything before GSW is the braindead ring counting culture of sports.

Being the best player on a team that in a six year span
1. averaged 55 Wins from 2011 2016 (pro-rated rated 2012)
2. 5.92 SRS
3. Makes 4 Conference Finals
4. 1 Final Appearances
5. Ranking in the top 5 for MVP Voting 5 times (injured for most of season the year he missed)
6. 3 top 2 MVP Voting Appearances.

If that was his entire prime it'd give him legit HOF consideration.

[LAL1947]

Hopefully Shaq thanked D Wade or he wouldn’t have accomplished anything post Kobe either.

Shaq had comfortably established himself as an ATG and never needed Wade to establish that.

That's true. Actually, of the three best players from that generation (the other two being Kobe and Duncan), Shaq came closest to actually entering the GOAT debate.

He screwed himself out of being in the GOAT debate with his own decisions from 2001-02 onward (becoming lazy, too fat, letting his contract disputes with management spill over onto the court, becoming toxic once Kobe was the better player, changing teams in the manner he did). If not for these things, he might even have won 6-7 rings in a row instead of the 3+1.

[Eric Bieniemy]

This just isnt a good way to look at it. Kobe was integral to those titles. You dont need to diminish him to appreciate Shaq.

Kobe was a bus rider during those years. When he was the bus driver the team took a dip and never recovered the same kind of dominance again.

That's an entirely non-sensical description. They don't win those titles without Kobe. Yeah, he rocked the boat after the three-peat, but he was a humongous part of their dominance and success.

It'd be foolish to discount Kobe's contribution. I am merely stating that Shaq was more important/better. No one is intimating that Kobe's role wasn't important. His role, like Pippen's, was secondary. Significant and vital but still secondary.

Kobe is often viewed as being better than Shaq. In their primes, as good as Kobe was, Shaq was just flat-out better.

[tsherkin]

Kobe is often viewed as being better than Shaq. In their primes, as good as Kobe was, Shaq was just flat-out better.

There's room to have that discussion, sure. It started to get a lot fuzzier from 02 forward as Bryant started to enter his prime. BUt yes, maybe I got a bit ahead of what you were actually saying, heh.

[Homer38]

True he had a serious injuries but in the playoffs against the Celtics he had the same problem that he had when he was with Okc in the playoffs.He had also a great regular season but it was the first time since 2016 at least he had to carry his team in every game,regular season or playoffs for a long period of time

[Black Jack]

maybe I'm a party of one but the Nets experience doesn't impact my esteem for KD's game.

He's one of the greats and outbattled LeBron a couple times 1:1 in the finals. no matter how much he gets trolled, nobody can take that away.

trading for Harden was just a terrible idea otherwise Brooklyn would likely be in the ECF right now with their previous pre-Harden squad.

Outbattling Lebron 1:1 while the opposing team can't afford more than single coverage on you because you're the second best player on your team isn't saying much.

So outbattling arguably the GOAT or top 5 at least player 1:1 isn't much?

KD haters are the most illogical...even worse than LBJ haters

[Raps in 4]

maybe I'm a party of one but the Nets experience doesn't impact my esteem for KD's game.

He's one of the greats and outbattled LeBron a couple times 1:1 in the finals. no matter how much he gets trolled, nobody can take that away.

trading for Harden was just a terrible idea otherwise Brooklyn would likely be in the ECF right now with their previous pre-Harden squad.

Outbattling Lebron 1:1 while the opposing team can't afford more than single coverage on you because you're the second best player on your team isn't saying much.

So outbattling arguably the GOAT or top 5 at least player 1:1 isn't much?

KD haters are the most illogical...even worse than LBJ haters

There was no true 1:1 scenario though.

Lebron saw multiple defenders on every possession. KD usually saw single coverage.

KD outscoring Lebron doesn't say much. Lebron was still better than him. Hell, his own teammate was better than him.

[Homer38]

KD had so many easy basket in his 2 finals.It was comical and it was against the 21st defense in 2017 and bottom 2 in 2018

It was different this year when he faced a elite defense with all the attention on Kd.He had the same problem he had in Okc during the playoffs

[KodiakBear]

50 years from now he'll have the titles/FMVP's on his resume, but the narrative around KD regarding his career without the Warriors is legitimately only fractionally better than being ringless.

KD actually gained the most from his stint at GSW than anyone else. It's actually pretty incredible

In some ways. It made him a 2x champ and 2x finals mvp. It was a reputation killer though. Joining a 73 win team that had beat you the previous conference finals was a move that very few fans respected.

[ceiling raiser]

Love KD but Shaq is right. Hope he’s proven wrong next year.

[lessthanjake]

And what has Steph done since Durant left?? Give me a break. His first championship had injured riddled teams. Since Durant left he hasn’t done anything either. This year played an injured Denver team, then played an Memphis team who’s superstar got hurt.

People who try to diminish the success of players/teams due to facing injured teams in the playoffs don’t realize that the same is true of essentially every single championship team. It’s extremely common for there to be serious injuries to major title contenders. For example, if you look at every single finals from 2015 onward, you’ll see that see that the team that either the best team the title winner played and/or the team they played in the finals had really significant players out/injured:

- 2015 Warriors: Kyrie and Love out in the finals
- 2016 Cavs: Curry playing in the Finals but was injured in the playoffs and didn’t have his normal quickness; Draymond suspended a game (not an injury and was due to something in Draymond’s control of course, but certainly relevant since Warriors probably win without that post-hoc suspension)
- 2017 Warriors: The next best team in the league was the Spurs, and Kawhi got injured in Game 1, with the Spurs up 23 points in Golden State
- 2018 Warriors: The next best team in the league (arguably even better than the Warriors) was the Rockets, and Chris Paul got injured with the Rockets up 3-2 in the series
- 2019 Raptors: Durant out in the finals, and Klay missed multiple games (in fact, in the games Klay played, the series was 2-2 + a game where the Warriors were ahead when Klay went down)
- 2020 Lakers: Heat’s 2nd and 3rd best players missed lots of time in the Finals—Dragic missed almost all of the finals, and Adebayo missed two games of the Finals
- 2021 Bucks: The next best team may well have been the Nets—who had Kyrie and Harden both go down in their series against the Bucks

It’s really more common than not for the team that won the title to have injury luck majorly go their way. And that’s not surprising, since injuries in the playoffs are common but yet it’s very uncommon for a team to win the title with big injuries—so the team that wins the title is basically always one of the few top teams that doesn’t have huge injury woes.

[ali1979]

Kd fans say if durant did not join gsw, curry would have only one ring. With this logic if there was not curry kd would have 0 ring.

I hate one sided assumptions.