Should more teams have Haslem/Iguodala types on their team?

Big J · Post #1 » by **Big J** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:18 am

Vets who’ve been to the top before, but are at a point in their career where their main contribution is their voice and their leadership? Both teams have talked about how valuable it is to have them on their benches.

heatwillbeback · Post #2 » by **heatwillbeback** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:21 am

Yes. But only the really good franchises have the longevity that allows guys like that.

Spoelstra and Kerr are the second and third longest tenured coaches in the league. You need a consistent voice at the top to have a player embody that voice.

Loaded_Hollows · Post #3 » by **Loaded_Hollows** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:23 am

No. Get these money leeching old bums off the bench and sign someone that can contribute on the court. If you want to hire these old heads as assistants, go for it.

LilLeeroy · Post #4 » by **LilLeeroy** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:28 am

Iguodala was expected to be a contributor, he just can't play two games in a row without getting injured. So completely different from continuing to give a roster spot to a guy who has been useless for 7 years.

Free Rider · Post #5 » by **Free Rider** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:32 am

Maybe it's a nice to have but I don't see it as something essential to building a championship. Plenty of teams have won without having a veteran player who ever sees the court acting as a de facto coach.

Eagle4 · Post #6 » by **Eagle4** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:32 am

Loaded_Hollows wrote:No. Get these money leeching old bums off the bench and sign someone that can contribute on the court. If you want to hire these old heads as assistants, go for it.

Lmao "leeching bums", anytime I see this I just think how envious some of you are that you're not in that exact position and have to actually WORK to make a living. At the end of the day those two have value that would be unmatched if on other rosters. Doesn't matter if YOU think they're leeching.

giberish · Post #7 » by **giberish** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:32 am

An Iguodala situation is fine. When healthy he can still play effectively. Obviously that when healthy is a big caveat but for a 15th man on a contender that's still useful.

Haslem is IMO more problematic. Especially this year there were times that teams had to play every healthy body. So when Haslem's healthy in that situation he becomes a liability. At this point he really needs to just be an assistant coach. I'm sure the Heat culture can survive.

Lilseb93 · Post #8 » by **Lilseb93** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:32 am

heatwillbeback wrote:Yes. But only the really good franchises have the longevity that allows guys like that.

Spoelstra and Kerr are the second and third longest tenured coaches in the league. You need a consistent voice at the top to have a player embody that voice.

This.

Loaded_Hollows · Post #9 » by **Loaded_Hollows** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:27 pm

Eagle4 wrote:
Loaded_Hollows wrote:No. Get these money leeching old bums off the bench and sign someone that can contribute on the court. If you want to hire these old heads as assistants, go for it.

Lmao "leeching bums", anytime I see this I just think how envious some of you are that you're not in that exact position and have to actually WORK to make a living.

What a strange way of agreeing with my position that they don’t actually work lol. Uhh…thanks I guess? :lol:

Bornstellar · Post #10 » by **Bornstellar** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:30 pm

No. If Haslem's presence is that needed he should have been hired as an assistant or something. Dude's just taking a spot from another guy that could contribute

Mujahydeen · Post #11 » by **Mujahydeen** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:38 pm

Those are different situations.

Warriors wanted Iguodala as a bench piece because he is familiar with the system. He's just injured.

Haslem could do the same job being an assistant coach, Heat are just paying him back for the cap circumvention from a decade ago.

lambchop · Post #12 » by **lambchop** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:38 pm

heatwillbeback wrote:Yes. But only the really good franchises have the longevity that allows guys like that.

Spoelstra and Kerr are the second and third longest tenured coaches in the league. You need a consistent voice at the top to have a player embody that voice.

Worked pretty well for the Lakers with Dudley, despite having new coaching in place. Imo if your best players and coach embrace it, it will work regardless of how long any of them have actively been part of the roster or franchise.

California Gold · Post #13 » by **California Gold** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:42 pm

There’s no comparison between Iguodala and Haslem lol.

Iguodala in his time was a contributor on the court and a veteran. Haslem…. Yeah no.

lambchop · Post #14 » by **lambchop** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:43 pm

Bornstellar wrote:No. If Haslem's presence is that needed he should have been hired as an assistant or something. Dude's just taking a spot from another guy that could contribute

If there were random dudes sitting at home ready to contribute in game 7 of the ECF, the heat would have found them a long time ago. They are already pretty damn good at finding hidden gems. Therefore, they're probably pretty happy with their roster construction.

Also, some say Haslem being an assistant coach would be the same thing, but an assistant coach is vastly different and can't talk to players the way another player can. Everyone knows that. A player can use rant made of 99% expletives to get guys going. No way an assistant coach could do that. Greg Popovich and a select few NBA head coaches could pull that off.

Post #15 » by **BBallFreak** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:44 pm

Bornstellar wrote:No. If Haslem's presence is that needed he should have been hired as an assistant or something. Dude's just taking a spot from another guy that could contribute

Yes, because Miami is known for not developing players. Heat really need to get on that.

giberish wrote:Haslem is IMO more problematic. Especially this year there were times that teams had to play every healthy body. So when Haslem's healthy in that situation he becomes a liability. At this point he really needs to just be an assistant coach. I'm sure the Heat culture can survive.

Haslem played and was effective. In the three games we needed him to play double digit minutes he averaged 5.7 points and 5.3 boards while providing physical toughness. What else are you looking for from your end of the bench guy?

Johnny Bball · Post #16 » by **Johnny Bball** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:44 pm

Yes but 10 years younger and actually playing.

lambchop · Post #17 » by **lambchop** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:47 pm

Lucky Clover wrote:There’s no comparison between Iguodala and Haslem lol.

Iguodala in his time was a contributor on the court and a veteran. Haslem…. Yeah no.

How quickly they forget. Haslem only took a backseat so that guys like Strus and Bam could develop this season. When he was on the court this season dude was a monster.

Watch on YouTube

bbalnation · Post #18 » by **bbalnation** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:48 pm

Loaded_Hollows wrote:
Eagle4 wrote:
Loaded_Hollows wrote:No. Get these money leeching old bums off the bench and sign someone that can contribute on the court. If you want to hire these old heads as assistants, go for it.

Lmao "leeching bums", anytime I see this I just think how envious some of you are that you're not in that exact position and have to actually WORK to make a living.

What a strange way of agreeing with my position that they don’t actually work lol. Uhh…thanks I guess?

Are you also strangely agreeing with his other position?

Udonis and Andre both contribute and work, according to their teammates and coaches.

For example:

Steph and Draymond mention Andre constantly, in the regular season, and throughout each game in the Playoffs. They aren't doing that with other contributing players on the Warriors. Ive noticed Steve Kerr mention Andre as well.

There are different ways to contribute to a group, or a collective. Sometimes it'll appear when the lights are bright, and people get on the court during the 48 minutes.

Most times, it'll happen during the preparation for those 48 minutes, for the individual player, and for the team of individual humans to work as a collective: no matter whos on the court (starters and bench players).

This is work. Its very neat & awesome work. Its another extension of basketball & sport as a source of income.

My assumption is they work their asses off to remain in NBA playing shape (which is helpful to be in for trust, credibility, etc).

Reminder, if it helps: there are others doing less work daily & making more $, in other positions within the NBA, and in other industries.

California Gold · Post #19 » by **California Gold** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:49 pm

lambchop wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:There’s no comparison between Iguodala and Haslem lol.

Iguodala in his time was a contributor on the court and a veteran. Haslem…. Yeah no.

How quickly they forget. Haslem only took a backseat so that guys like Strus and Bam could develop this season. When he was on the court this season dude was a monster.

Watch on YouTube

What an unbiased take.

Tell yourself whatever you want.

Post #20 » by **BBallFreak** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:59 pm

Lucky Clover wrote:
lambchop wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:There’s no comparison between Iguodala and Haslem lol.

Iguodala in his time was a contributor on the court and a veteran. Haslem…. Yeah no.

How quickly they forget. Haslem only took a backseat so that guys like Strus and Bam could develop this season. When he was on the court this season dude was a monster.

Watch on YouTube

What an unbiased take.

Tell yourself whatever you want.

Don't understand why we even need to care? The team deems him valuable. That's all that should be enough. If they're willing to pay him and let him take a roster spot, why the hell should anyone care?