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Which player has decreased the most in value since last season? It can be lower trade value or lower potential future earnings.

Some names that immediately come to mind: Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Ben Simmons, Russell Westbrook, Julius Randle, Zion Williamson

From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.

NZB2323 wrote:From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.

The warriors tanked and got wiggins in return and are playing against worse teams than what they faced 4 years ago.

I would kill Him more for this playoff performance, but this team was pretty dysfunctional, especially in comparison with what he did against what he did in the playoffs last year.

I think the bigger guy here is trae young. He struggled to be efficient against policy Philly due to size, then again with Miami as they also made him defend a lot. I’m curious to see how young adjusts his game next season.

Lockdown504090 wrote:

NZB2323 wrote:From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.

The warriors tanked and got wiggins in return and are playing against worse teams than what they faced 4 years ago.

I would kill Him more for this playoff performance, but this team was pretty dysfunctional, especially in comparison with what he did against what he did in the playoffs last year.

I think the bigger guy here is trae young. He struggled to be efficient against policy Philly due to size, then again with Miami as they also made him defend a lot. I’m curious to see how young adjusts his game next season.

Soo now they’re playing worse teams ? Lol funny because nobody had Warriors making finals beginning of the season

Duncan Robinson, most of these guys are probably still getting maxed on prior performance/name value alone, just on shorter durations.

This guy isn't getting anything close to his type of contract again.

It's not near to the extent of other guys that will be mentioned in this thread, but I've been pretty disappointed with Bam. I was curious about this and pulled the numbers, but in 15 games in the last 2 playoffs where the opponent had their starting center available (Lopez, Capela, Embiid, Rob Williams):

14/8/2 on 57% TS

In the 6 games where those centers were out of the lineup:

20/10/5 per 36 on 69% TS

He's making $34 mil/yr over the next 4 seasons, that just can't happen. Jimmy turns 33 in a few months and plays a physical game, he's not going to be able to carry them to this degree for that much longer, Bam has to step up, and not just when the opposing team's front court is compromised. He's gotta be a night to night two way presence.

Trae - he put up a stinker of a series

Durant - also had a shocking series

Bum Adebayo - plays small and scared

The Suns. They went from one of the presumptive favorites to win it all to a team people are talking about needing to be blown up.

NZB2323 wrote:From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.

Nah. He played 4 games against a good team and put up 26/6/6 after a ridiculous 30/7/7 reg season (on 63.4% TS), and the narrative down the line will definitely be much more about the BKN superteam failure than about him. Kyrie skipping most of the season, Harden skipping town, Simmons not showing up at all, having to taking on a good well-rounded BOS team with the likes of Claxton and Bruce Brown, etc. Also he's shown us over and over again who good he is, bball fans would have to be really low information or just overlook/forget most of your memories of him to not hold him in very high regard. This just seems like a bad recency take getting a guy right when he's at a low point.

The more concerning thing for his legacy is that his next moves are limited. The Nets will probably run it back next year but if that doesn't work he turns 34 in September and might not have a lot of chances left to do anything meaningful in the PO.

James Harden - showed he’s not superstar or tier 1 anymore.

Kevin Durant - legacy hit mainly that hes failed outside of GS

Duncan Robinson - went from looking at Korver type career to hoping he is able to stay in the league.

Bam - not being dominant or impactful against top flight defense. He’s young tho and redeemable.

Devin Booker - failed on the biggest stage but young enough to redeem in the future.

Giannis - had a chance to become legendary if he could drag that cast to the finals but couldn’t get it done.

Kyle Lowry - showing he’s on the wrong side of it now and the visible decline is clearly there. At best a role player now.

In that order.

No Lillard?

Shouldn't we wait for the playoffs to be over?

khufure wrote:Shouldn't we wait for the playoffs to be over?

I mean...the NBA finals is probably not the first place you should look for guys that have plummeted in value.

Harden. What happened?

Most decreased value
1. James harden. I don’t know if his hamstring is truly the end of him. It could be. Something just wrong with him after the first few games with sixers. Had injured his leg Vs the Knicks and just didn’t look the same. He had one month off prior to that and looked good.

But he likely cannot get more than a 3/100 million extension. That a far cry from a 5/270 million max contract. He may need to settle for a Chris Paul deal. Difference is cp3 was old. Harden is 32 almost 33 but playing like a 36 year old. I have always considered harden a top 5 nba player from 2015-2020. I still consider him a top 10 nba player coming into this season. He’s still crafty and elite point guard skills and vision. But he’s more of a top 20-25 nba player now.

2. Ben Simmons. He’s simply untradeable until he shows his face on the court. He’s due 3/117 million. I think he’s mentally gone. He’s scared as heck and it won’t get any better with the New York crowd.

- Julius Randle. I know a lot of us were anti-Randle even when he was at his best. But for him to morph from all-NBA 2nd team into a huge negative value contract immediately... just yikes. Everyone was patting the Knicks on the back last year for finally getting on track, and that Randle contract almost single-handedly plummeted them back into the gutter with no easy way out.

- De'Aron Fox recovered some value at the end of the year but in general went from star point guard on the rise, to questionable whether you want him on a playoff team. His shot fell apart, his defense stagnated at best.

- Brad Beal. I don't see it talked about enough that Bradley Beal just had by far his worst season in 6 years. The defense is gross. He's an established mediocre outside shooter at this point.

- Westbrook. Had tons of haters but this was absolutely a worse-case scenario season for his value.

Duncan Robinson and Lowry are at the top of the list. Duncan cant even get playing time when the team is banged up. That should tell you all you need to know about him and the Heat. Then Lowry, well he is old, fat and just look at his playoff performances. If he was a vet min player you would be ok with his production, he is getting 30 million dollars. Ouch

Westbrick, Harden, Ben Simons would be near the top but for different reasons. Westbrick has been a failure, he won't adapt his game so he is toast. Harden came into the season overweight and he might still be impacted by his injury sustained last playoff. Ben, no idea what is going on between his ears.

James Harden- It's clear the 76ers made a poor decision as soon as they traded for him. He doesn't have it anymore and even during his prime,he was known as a playoff choker. Now he's playoff choker who's agruably not even a star cailber player anymore.

Kevin Durant- Got swept in the 1st round,while also performing poorly vs the Celtics. Also desn't help when the Warriors made it back to the finals this season without him

Trae Young- Looked like a complete scrub vs the Heat. I didn't expect for him to be very efficent,however the shooting splits he had might be some of worse ever for someone for a star level player

Kyrie Irving- Not available for a huge chunk of the season and when he was,often proved why he is best suited as a 2nd option. Also a poor series vs the Celtics outside of game 1,which led to the Nets getting swept.

De'Andre Ayton- This could've been the season to show that he could be atleast a all star cailber player. But instead it appears he actually regressed. Add that up with a poor playoff series vs Dallas,there is no reason why the Phoenix should give him a Max at this point. They do need to gain meaningful assets back,so they need to do a sign and trade deal,which I think will happen.

Jaren Jackson Jr- Maybe a very unpopular pick,but he suffered a foul trouble in the playoffs this season and he also regressed on offense. Still has star potential,but the offense have to make improvements and need to keep the fouls down going forward.

Some of these guys just continued trends that existed before the season (Westbrook's been steadily declining for several years, Irving had plenty of issues before this season).

1) Zion: huge upside draft pick. 2nd year started to be a real impact guy (even with competent D) Then a supposedly minor injury keeps him out all year. Even worse, his weight balloons in a way that's likely to lead to more injuries. Went from one of the top value guys in the entire league to an afterthought.

2) Harden: Had been a solid top-5 guy for a while, but clearly dropped from that level. 2nd self-tank to force a trade in two years makes him hard to value long-term as well.

3) Randle: Had a legit All-NBA season, but then reverts to previous mediocre form the next year.

moderndarwin wrote:James Harden - showed he’s not superstar or tier 1 anymore.

Kevin Durant - legacy hit mainly that hes failed outside of GS

Duncan Robinson - went from looking at Korver type career to hoping he is able to stay in the league.

Bam - not being dominant or impactful against top flight defense. He’s young tho and redeemable.

Devin Booker - failed on the biggest stage but young enough to redeem in the future.

Giannis - had a chance to become legendary if he could drag that cast to the finals but couldn’t get it done.

Kyle Lowry - showing he’s on the wrong side of it now and the visible decline is clearly there. At best a role player now.

In that order.

Not sure what Giannis is doing on your list, considering he played amazing and was missing his second guy.