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Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:35 am
by SpreeS
I leave here % of FG Ast'd per PO career for TOP perimeter players. You can draw your own conclusions.

1. Paul .135
2. Doncic .135
3. Nash .204
4. Westbrook .213
5. Harden .229

6. Wade .291
7. Lebron .326
8. Kobe .349
9. Curry .409
10. Kidd .447

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:47 am
by WintaSoldier1
Ball dominance leads to dependence on a singular player.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:55 am
by SpreeS
Paul ball dominance on another level

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:07 am
by GiannisAnte34
Kobe won 5 of them as a ball hog. He was an elite passer when he wanted to be or an elite ISO scorer when he wanted to be, but rarely ever balanced both

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:09 am
by Pennebaker
SpreeS wrote:I leave here % of FG Ast'd per PO career for TOP perimeter players. You can draw your own conclusions.

1. Paul .135
2. Doncic .135
3. Nash .204
4. Westbrook .213
5. Harden .229

6. Wade .291
7. Lebron .326
8. Kobe .349
9. Curry .409
10. Kidd .447


What is this saying again? Kobe is the biggest ball hog on the list and he won multiple champion shops.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:14 am
by SpreeS
Pennebaker wrote:
SpreeS wrote:I leave here % of FG Ast'd per PO career for TOP perimeter players. You can draw your own conclusions.

1. Paul .135
2. Doncic .135
3. Nash .204
4. Westbrook .213
5. Harden .229

6. Wade .291
7. Lebron .326
8. Kobe .349
9. Curry .409
10. Kidd .447


What is this saying again? Kobe is the biggest ball hog on the list and he won multiple champion shops.


don't you know the numbers?

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:14 am
by BobbyPortisEyes
I don't understand the logic. So Nash is a ballhog because he could make shots off the dribble whereas Kidd isn't because he couldn't?

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:18 am
by Pennebaker
SpreeS wrote:
Pennebaker wrote:
SpreeS wrote:I leave here % of FG Ast'd per PO career for TOP perimeter players. You can draw your own conclusions.

1. Paul .135
2. Doncic .135
3. Nash .204
4. Westbrook .213
5. Harden .229

6. Wade .291
7. Lebron .326
8. Kobe .349
9. Curry .409
10. Kidd .447


What is this saying again? Kobe is the biggest ball hog on the list and he won multiple champion shops.


don't you know the number?


I don't know what you're talking about. It would be nice if you provided a link to the data you're citing then there would be no confusion and we could better understand the full context.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:28 am
by Sane
A ball hog is not someone who doesn't get assisted. That's a false premise to begin with. I assume that's why the OP didn't include the data set he hand picked from.

A ball hog is someone who takes more shots than they should, with the word "should" being totally subjective. Let me know when you have a stat for that.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:31 am
by BallerTalk
SpreeS wrote:I leave here % of FG Ast'd per PO career for TOP perimeter players. You can draw your own conclusions.

1. Paul .135
2. Doncic .135
3. Nash .204
4. Westbrook .213
5. Harden .229

6. Wade .291
7. Lebron .326
8. Kobe .349
9. Curry .409
10. Kidd .447



Another grand example of how stats without context are completely worthless.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:35 am
by Tim Kempton
So, Nash and Paul are ball hogs and Kobe wasn't. Got it. If only Nash and Paul looked for their teammates more, they'd have some rings.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:36 am
by tmorgan
Steve Nash the ball hog. Now I’ve seriously heard EVERYTHING. Good lord.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:46 am
by LakersLegacy
Pennebaker wrote:
SpreeS wrote:I leave here % of FG Ast'd per PO career for TOP perimeter players. You can draw your own conclusions.

1. Paul .135
2. Doncic .135
3. Nash .204
4. Westbrook .213
5. Harden .229

6. Wade .291
7. Lebron .326
8. Kobe .349
9. Curry .409
10. Kidd .447


What is this saying again? Kobe is the biggest ball hog on the list and he won multiple champion shops.


Kobe lead the Lakers in assists for many seasons even though he was the shooting guard not the point guard

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:52 am
by SpreeS
Pennebaker wrote:
SpreeS wrote:
Pennebaker wrote:
What is this saying again? Kobe is the biggest ball hog on the list and he won multiple champion shops.


don't you know the number?


I don't know what you're talking about. It would be nice if you provided a link to the data you're citing then there would be no confusion and we could better understand the full context.


Man, this data is available for many many years on BB-RF.COM with shooting data. They offer only separate Ast’d 2P and 3P, I counted total assisted FG.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:57 am
by SpreeS
Sane wrote:A ball hog is not someone who doesn't get assisted. That's a false premise to begin with. I assume that's why the OP didn't include the data set he hand picked from.

A ball hog is someone who takes more shots than they should, with the word "should" being totally subjective. Let me know when you have a stat for that.


This could have been said only by Harden/Doncic/Westbrick/Paul fans…

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:06 am
by Swish1906
So the conclusion of the list is that stacked teams win you championships, got ya

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:08 am
by Swish1906
SpreeS wrote:
Sane wrote:A ball hog is not someone who doesn't get assisted. That's a false premise to begin with. I assume that's why the OP didn't include the data set he hand picked from.

A ball hog is someone who takes more shots than they should, with the word "should" being totally subjective. Let me know when you have a stat for that.


This could have been said only by Harden/Doncic/Westbrick/Paul fans…


Adding a player who is four years in the league with the first two years being a total rebuild to a "blabla will never win a ring" says everything you need to know about your agenda

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:09 am
by 76ciology
Predictability. Which makes it easy to defend that leads to lower points per shot.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:55 am
by JN61
This doesn't tell anything about ball hogging. Just how their systems were set up.

Re: Why BALL HOGS never win a chamionchip?

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:59 am
by SpreeS
Swish1906 wrote:So the conclusion of the list is that stacked teams win you championships, got ya


The point is that these players teams played only two time in the Finals from 60/70 attempts…and teams like Nash Dal/PHO, Westbrook OKC, Harden OKC/HOU/PHI/BKN, Paul LAC/HOU/PHO were capable to win it all. Even before DAL/GSW matchup this year, DAL had very good odds to win it all.