The Knicks can never get out of their own way!!

[WuriderX]

From what I am reading they are prepared to severely overpay for Donovan Mitchell. The problem with the Knicks is that they want the next Knick's superstar instead of getting solid pieces to build around what they have. A Mitchell/Brunson backcourt is going to be horrible but let's worry about that later. Then you have Mitchell, Brunson, Barrett, and Julius Randle who all need the ball to be effective. I understand that moves need to be made but they seem to keep putting together flawed rosters.

[iLLmatic860]

From what I am reading they are prepared to severely overpay for Donovan Mitchell. The problem with the Knicks is that they want the next Knick's superstar instead of getting solid pieces to build around what they have. A Mitchell/Brunson backcourt is going to be horrible but let's worry about that later. Then you have Mitchell, Brunson, Barrett, and Julius Randle who all need the ball to be effective. I understand that moves need to be made but they seem to keep putting together flawed rosters.

Leon Rose will continue to use his Kentucky or CAA connections. Other stars will want to play with Dmitch in the future. Just keep building. We dont have to be elite right away

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Meh they have a surplus of draft capital so it's not like they'd be cannibalizing themselves. And how often are the Knicks in position to acquire a young proven allstar talent? I think they should jump at this opportunity and try to establish the idea that the Knicks are a franchise that stars want to play for

[Duffman100]

Meh they have a surplus of draft capital so it's not like they'd be cannibalizing themselves. And how often are the Knicks in position to acquire a young proven allstar talent? I think they should jump at this opportunity and try to establish the idea that the Knicks are a franchise that stars want to play for

Agreed. At this point you have Brunson, Randle, Barrett... you might as well try and make the top 6 in the conference.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

The Knicks are in a good position to acquire a young superstar, while keeping their core together. Yes, they’d have to part with some draft assets and some young players with potential, but as a Knicks fan it’s a worthwhile move so long as they don’t go overboard and give into a ridiculous request from Utah.

Also, in what world would Brunson and Mitchell be a bad backcourt ?

[Texas Chuck]

Also, in what world would Brunson and Mitchell be a bad backcourt ?

Offensively they will be great. Defensively that's a challenge. Brunson at least is strong as an ox and will fight you. He's limited but he tries. Mitchell won't be bothered.

It's fine for a team just trying to be relevant, but when they want to pivot to contender status it will be an issue unless Thibs can convince Spida to give a damn. A hard sell if you just paid a huge price to get him. He's going to think clearly you think I'm great just as I am to pay that price.

I'd avoid him as the Knicks, but I get why fans don't care about the actual basketball and just want the big name.

[Hipster Doofus]

The Knicks gonna Knick.

[Eye of Horus]

Everyone seems to act like they know what the parameters of the trade are and none of u do. So before we go clowning on the Knicks, let's u know....maybe wait and see if they actually trade for him, and what the trade entails. I for one think its going to be for a lot less assets then is being reported. I believe the Knicks have some leverage here .It's well known that Mitchell wants to go to the Knicks. Who's to say he doesn't force Danny's hand and say I will only play for new york?...players seem to have all the power now

[_qubik]

The Knicks are in a good position to acquire a young superstar, while keeping their core together. Yes, they’d have to part with some draft assets and some young players with potential, but as a Knicks fan it’s a worthwhile move so long as they don’t go overboard and give into a ridiculous request from Utah.

Also, in what world would Brunson and Mitchell be a bad backcourt ?

Superstar ?

In what world 2 small guards that arent known for defense will be a bad backourt ? Dame + CJ 2.0, but with less talented guys

[Harry Garris]

I don't think the Knicks are a franchise that you can expect to tank and build slowly through the draft like most teams do when they're bad. They don't have the patience to do that. So the next best thing to do with draft picks is cash them in for good young players.

I think the Knicks will work out a trade with the Jazz that's more reasonable and get Mitchell.

[RoyceDa59]

Donovan Mitchell is 25 years old so if he wants to be a Knick I’d say go for it.

Knicks haven’t had a player/asset of that caliber in literally decades.

Pull the trigger, acquire DMitch and then build from there.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Also, in what world would Brunson and Mitchell be a bad backcourt ?

Offensively they will be great. Defensively that's a challenge. Brunson at least is strong as an ox and will fight you. He's limited but he tries. Mitchell won't be bothered.

It's fine for a team just trying to be relevant, but when they want to pivot to contender status it will be an issue unless Thibs can convince Spida to give a damn. A hard sell if you just paid a huge price to get him. He's going to think clearly you think I'm great just as I am to pay that price.

I'd avoid him as the Knicks, but I get why fans don't care about the actual basketball and just want the big name.

Perhaps they’ll be challenged a bit defensively, but they have tremendous upside on offense. If that’s a shortcoming of there’s — which I don’t disagree that it would be — then I would still work on getting Mitchell, and then getting complementary pieces that cover those shortcomings.

I would say that a trade for Spida obviously isn’t the end all be all, but it’s a step in the right direction. The team improves rather considerably with his addition. And wherever that new plateau/level is, front there you work on making the next improvement(s) to get to the next level.

[BK_2020]

Getting good players is not the worst thing in the world.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

The Knicks are in a good position to acquire a young superstar, while keeping their core together. Yes, they’d have to part with some draft assets and some young players with potential, but as a Knicks fan it’s a worthwhile move so long as they don’t go overboard and give into a ridiculous request from Utah.

Also, in what world would Brunson and Mitchell be a bad backcourt ?

Superstar ?

In what world 2 small guards that arent known for defense will be a bad backourt ? Dame + CJ 2.0, but with less talented guys

So what if they aren’t known for their defense ? They’re dynamic, high level offensive players. With Thibs at the helm, we can potentially see them play the best defense of their careers thus far, and even then it’s not like they’re the worst defenders ever. Strong defenders elsewhere on the team can shore up their shortcomings and compensate.

That’s a weird statement to make about CJ/Lillard, as whatever shortcomings the Blazers had didn’t fall on their shoulders — it was mostly because the roster AROUND those two wasn’t up to par, typically. So with having Mitchell and Brunson, even if they’re not the duo Lillard/CJ was (which I think is a bit reductionist to say on the surface of it), the Knicks success would also depend on how the pieces around them fit and complement them.

And yes, I’d say at the very least he’s flirting with being a superstar offensively, factoring in his strong postseason runs in 2020 and 2021. 26/5 on a little north of league average efficiency in the RS the past two years on a Utah team that had the 3rd and 1st rated offense in those years as well (with Spida being 7th in ORPM in both years). So yeah, I’ll stand on that superstar comment.

[Capn'O]

It's not a great fit. We'll see what they give up. Some of those picks have limited value as they have substantial protections. If they give anything up out to 2027 or, forbid, 2029 it's scary.

[Capn'O]

Donovan Mitchell is 25 years old so if he wants to be a Knick I’d say go for it.

Knicks haven’t had a player/asset of that caliber in literally decades.

Pull the trigger, acquire DMitch and then build from there.

They got Melo at the same age.

[Big J]

It’s not that big of a deal. Knicks have been terrible for decades. They just need to make the playoffs.

[pipfan]

The key is keeping Barrett, and he needs to develop into a stud. Then, they can see what they have in a year or so
The East is going to be TOUGH next year-so even adding Mitchell in no way guarantees a playoff spot. Maybe they move into the tier with Chi, Atl, Tor, Clev-fighting for a playoff spot (I have Miami/Milw/Bos/Philly as the only playoff locks). Then, you have Wash/Char who want in, with Det/Orl/Indy up-and-coming. BRK is a huge wildcard, but they could easily be a playoff lock as well.

[raleigh]

Getting good players is not the worst thing in the world.

And certainly not when you play in NY. They'll be able to recruit vets.

They've gotta make this trade. Haggle down a pick or player? Sure. But ultimately make the trade.

[HotelVitale]

From what I am reading they are prepared to severely overpay for Donovan Mitchell. The problem with the Knicks is that they want the next Knick's superstar instead of getting solid pieces to build around what they have. A Mitchell/Brunson backcourt is going to be horrible but let's worry about that later. Then you have Mitchell, Brunson, Barrett, and Julius Randle who all need the ball to be effective. I understand that moves need to be made but they seem to keep putting together flawed rosters.

They're moving impatiently, definitely got a point there, but I'm not sure the team from last year is worth worrying over. Barrett is likeable and keeps working hard but he's not proven he can be anything close to reliable, and he's better as a secondary creator anyway. Randle sucks so he's irrelevant, they'll cross their fingers he's better next year but I think they want to move on either way.

Brunson and Mitchell aren't an ideal backcourt for sure, that's gonna bring its own problems. But both are 25 and I guess the thinking is that you get yourself a whole lot more options when you have good young players than when you have Randle-Barrett and some supporting pieces.

Think the plan is to see how those two and Barrett can work together and then start building a roster around that. Seeing if the young guys can complement them and who to trade for if they can't.