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Curious as a lot of people have tatum top 10.

I'll make this very simple: no

well in accordance with being the 1st option on a team that "went to a Finals game 6" I'd say Booker meets that criteria

GiannisAnte34 wrote:well in accordance with being the 1st option on a team that "went to a Finals game 6" I'd say Booker meets that criteria

So being top 10 is the same thing as being the number 1 option on a championship team?

Remember when I specifically said that people were ignoring the actual question in the other thread (whether Tatum was a #1 option on a championship team) and simply using it as a platform to give their opinion on him (whether he was top 5/10/15, MVP caliber, a “superstar,” etc.)?

You just proved my point using one of the specific examples I provided.

Maybe

Giannis
Steph
Joker
Luka
KD
LeBron
Embiid
Tatum
Ja
Butler
Harden
Dame


Are all ahead of him, then you have the constantly injured but also ahead
Kawhi, AD

Then you have the arguably better
PG13, Beal, Trae, KAT, Gobert, BAM, Mitchell, SGA

With guys like Edwards and Garland up and coming and will probably overtake him.

He's thought of as top 10 due to recency bias with his trip the finals last year, Mitchell for example also was part of a dominant RS team and great perimeter scorer with questionable defense.

rtiff68 wrote:

GiannisAnte34 wrote:well in accordance with being the 1st option on a team that "went to a Finals game 6" I'd say Booker meets that criteria

So being top 10 is the same thing as being the number 1 option on a championship team?

Remember when I specifically said that people were ignoring the actual question in the other thread (whether Tatum was a #1 option on a championship team) and simply using it as a platform to give their opinion on him (whether he was top 5/10/15, MVP caliber, a “superstar,” etc.)?

You just proved my point using one of the specific examples I provided.

well according to the thread, being a #1 option on a Championship team can be a wide range of talent, depending on how loaded the rest of the team is. at the same time its important to remember that players are often viewed by their recent success relative to their current standing in the league. if the Suns did win or would win a Championship, it's fair to asssume many people would view Booker as both a #1 option on a Championship team and a top 10 player.

No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.

Godymas wrote:No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.

"Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year"

By better than Booker how do you define that? All the players you listed above had worse records in both the regular and postseason than Booker's Suns.

I do think he's just outside the top 10 but definitely in the top 15.

lol. not close

GiannisAnte34 wrote:

rtiff68 wrote:

GiannisAnte34 wrote:well in accordance with being the 1st option on a team that "went to a Finals game 6" I'd say Booker meets that criteria

So being top 10 is the same thing as being the number 1 option on a championship team?

Remember when I specifically said that people were ignoring the actual question in the other thread (whether Tatum was a #1 option on a championship team) and simply using it as a platform to give their opinion on him (whether he was top 5/10/15, MVP caliber, a “superstar,” etc.)?

You just proved my point using one of the specific examples I provided.

well according to the thread, being a #1 option on a Championship team can be a wide range of talent, depending on how loaded the rest of the team is. at the same time its important to remember that players are often viewed by their recent success relative to their current standing in the league. if the Suns did win or would win a Championship, it's fair to asssume many people would view Booker as both a #1 option on a Championship team and a top 10 player.

I believe it can be, and I also believe Booker could be the #1 option on a championship team. I think there are far more players capable of that than there are top 10 players, and I think most people would agree with that (provided they are looking at “#1 option” and things like “top 10 player” as mutually exclusive).

KhalilS wrote:Giannis
Steph
Joker
Luka
KD
LeBron
Embiid
Tatum
Ja
Butler
Harden
Dame


Are all ahead of him, then you have the constantly injured but also ahead
Kawhi, AD

Then you have the arguably better
PG13, Beal, Trae, KAT, Gobert, BAM, Mitchell, SGA

With guys like Edwards and Garland up and coming and will probably overtake him.

He's thought of as top 10 due to recency bias with his trip the finals last year, Mitchell for example also was part of a dominant RS team and great perimeter scorer with questionable defense.

The top 10 is STACKED right now-this post clarifies it. I can see an argument for Booker over Dame and maybe Harden (depends which one we get). I think Booker is safe in the top 20, but not a top 10 guy. My Bulls DDR/Lavine can also be seen on his tier

He's really been a couple of huge playoff injuries from it. Had he won that title in 2021 the narrative on Booker would be very different.

Rings matter. Kid is right there but has had some bum luck.


He's still just 25

ATRAIN53 wrote:He's really been a couple of huge playoff injuries from it. Had he won that title in 2021 the narrative on Booker would be very different.

Rings matter. Kid is right there but has had some bum luck.


He's still just 25

I think people would consider his path to the finals an extremely good luck, not bad luck.

Not until he redeems himself from the Mavs series

garrick wrote:

Godymas wrote:No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.

"Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year"

By better than Booker how do you define that? All the players you listed above had worse records in both the regular and postseason than Booker's Suns.

I do think he's just outside the top 10 but definitely in the top 15.

Dejounte Murray averaged 21-9-8 and led the league with 2 steals a game you have to ask why he's better than DBook

In the West? Maybe

Is Harden better than Booker?

He would have to keep improving

Godymas wrote:

garrick wrote:

Godymas wrote:No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.

"Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year"

By better than Booker how do you define that? All the players you listed above had worse records in both the regular and postseason than Booker's Suns.

I do think he's just outside the top 10 but definitely in the top 15.

Dejounte Murray averaged 21-9-8 and led the league with 2 steals a game you have to ask why he's better than DBook

And you're seriously discounting how difficult it is to score above 20ppg on great efficiency which is not something Dejounte has ever done so far in his career & Booker has done that for the past 5 seasons. Dejounte is a good player no doubt but offensively he is by far a more inferior player & his better defensive numbers don't make up for his inferior offense.