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does the way they have to play both ends and be impactful exist in other team sports? Or is there another sport where the one guy has this much of an effect that it can outweigh what a guy like lebron giannis or any of these do it all guys do in the NBA?

Tennis players

cgf wrote:Tennis players

u right, edited to say team sports.

NFL QBs would be the closest ones imo. They don’t play both sides of the ball but they have full control over the offense and the difference between an elite QB and an average one probably is the same advantage as having a superstar NBA player and a lower level all star.

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If a player isn't defending or can't attack he simply can't play. I think to a degree where not even in basketball exists.

Starting pitchers in baseball.

Rendei wrote:Starting pitchers in baseball.

Could not disagree more. Pitchers only affect one side of the game and there are just more baseball players in a game.

There is no team sport like basketball where superstars dictate the outcome of a game.

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Rendei wrote:Starting pitchers in baseball.

is it something to do with how they can end innings by striking people out? I went to a game with a college baseball coach one time and they were trying to explain something like that to me. The logic is that gobert can make a team score 90 instead of 105, but a pitcher can make the other team score 0? is that what it is?

Pitchers in baseball and QB's in football.

Otherwise NBA superstars do effect outcomes more than other sports but of course each team only has 5 players on the court at a time.

whitehops wrote:NFL QBs would be the closest ones imo. They don’t play both sides of the ball but they have full control over the offense and the difference between an elite QB and an average one probably is the same advantage as having a superstar NBA player and a lower level all star.

Pretty sure NFL QB’s are the single most impactful players in the American pro sports. Every great player needs guys around him, but NFL franchises are built around that starting QB now.

jasonxxx102 wrote:

Rendei wrote:Starting pitchers in baseball.

Could not disagree more. Pitchers only affect one side of the game and there are just more baseball players in a game.

There is no team sport like basketball where superstars dictate the outcome of a game.

I believe the great pitchers make less money than the great players at other positions. In any single game the starting pitcher has the biggest impact, but they’re playing only one out of every five games (besides Shohei.)

Field goal kicker in Football.

whitehops wrote:NFL QBs would be the closest ones imo. They don’t play both sides of the ball but they have full control over the offense and the difference between an elite QB and an average one probably is the same advantage as having a superstar NBA player and a lower level all star.

I would agree with the caveat that I don't think even an elite QB could make the playoffs if the rest of the roster is just a disaster.

We have seen superstar players in the NBA drag rosters that had no other even above average players on them to a low playoff seed before.

madmaxmedia wrote:

whitehops wrote:NFL QBs would be the closest ones imo. They don’t play both sides of the ball but they have full control over the offense and the difference between an elite QB and an average one probably is the same advantage as having a superstar NBA player and a lower level all star.

Pretty sure NFL QB’s are the single most impactful players in the American pro sports. Every great player needs guys around him, but NFL franchises are built around that starting QB now.

And NBA teams aren’t built around superstars?

If you assume an NBA superstar can impact each possession they are on the floor both offensively and defensively no other sport would even come close.

Jokic for example averaged 100 touches per game and that doesn’t count any defensive possessions

jasonxxx102 wrote:

Rendei wrote:Starting pitchers in baseball.

Could not disagree more. Pitchers only affect one side of the game and there are just more baseball players in a game.

There is no team sport like basketball where superstars dictate the outcome of a game.

A superstar center in hockey can come very close to doing the same. Plays offense and defense, controls the flow of the game. The basketball player does get more playing time during the game though.

A superior pitcher or hockey goalie can hold the opposition to zero.

The difference between a top tier QB and lower tier QB is immense on the offensive flow of a NFL game. A superstar QB helps his defense in ways the average person doesn't understand. A top-tier QB can help his defense without playing defense.

Lockdown504090 wrote:

cgf wrote:Tennis players

u right, edited to say team sports.

tennis players in doubles

Definitely NFL QB. If you don't have a good QB, you have no chance no matter how good your defense is at this point in the NFL. Very similar to NBA where without an offensive superstar you have almost no chance to win the title.

SkyHookFTW wrote:

jasonxxx102 wrote:

Rendei wrote:Starting pitchers in baseball.

Could not disagree more. Pitchers only affect one side of the game and there are just more baseball players in a game.

There is no team sport like basketball where superstars dictate the outcome of a game.

A superstar center in hockey can come very close to doing the same. Plays offense and defense, controls the flow of the game. The basketball player does get more playing time during the game though.

A superior pitcher or hockey goalie can hold the opposition to zero.

The difference between a top tier QB and lower tier QB is immense on the offensive flow of a NFL game. A superstar QB helps his defense in ways the average person doesn't understand. A top-tier QB can help his defense without playing defense.

Right but you still need your offense to score for your team to win and they have no impact on that. I suppose Shohei is the one exception to that.

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:

Lockdown504090 wrote:

cgf wrote:Tennis players

u right, edited to say team sports.

tennis players in doubles

Thank you for clarifying what I meant