Shams: New CBA talks include mental health support, reducing age limit back to 18. In effect by 2024

Wall_To_Clips · Post #1 » by **Wall_To_Clips** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:14 pm

Very welcomed changes for me. The 19 year old rule was always pointless to me. 18 vs 19 is pretty arbitrary, and if you’re good enough to make it at 18, go for it.

If it goes as expected, these changes will be in effect for the 2024 season. Sounds like much harsher luxury tax penalties too, which will hurt teams like the Warriors and Clippers who have spared no expense.

Nate505 · Post #2 » by **Nate505** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:16 pm

Ugh, 18 year olds in the NBA. That's going to suck, just like it sucked before.

jasonxxx102 · Post #3 » by **jasonxxx102** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:17 pm

Honestly, anything to crush the NCAA cartel I am in support of. About time they let kids skip college again if they're good enough. No more of this forcing the top talent to make billions for the NCAA while they get table scraps.

The mental health thing really seems like a slippery slope, though. This is not a comment on whether anxiety/whatever is real or not, just simply setting the precedent to treat it like a physical injury seems like it could lead to some unintended consequences.

Castle Black · Post #4 » by **Castle Black** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:20 pm

Bronny to the Lakers next season confirmed.

Wall_To_Clips · Post #5 » by **Wall_To_Clips** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:21 pm

Nate505 wrote:Ugh, 18 year olds in the NBA. That's going to suck, just like it sucked before.

Kobe, KG, LeBron, TMac, Howard. These are all top 100 all timers. Let them get an extra year of NBA development rather than feed the NCAA cash grab. They aren’t going to take education seriously anyway if they leave after 1 year. It’s a waste of time.

BobbyPortisEyes · Post #6 » by **BobbyPortisEyes** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:21 pm

What better way to promote mental health than to bring in 18-year-olds to the calm and stable world of the NBA.

Castle Black · Post #7 » by **Castle Black** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:21 pm

NCAA punching the air rn. They’re by far the biggest losers with this rule.

Colbinii · Post #8 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:23 pm

Nate505 wrote:Ugh, 18 year olds in the NBA. That's going to suck, just like it sucked before.

I think the plan is teams can start developing players at a young age, which allows teams to bolster and create an actual "farm system".

The idea this is somehow going to ruin the product makes no sense to me. Crappy teams are crappy whether they play a handful of 18-19 year olds or 19-20 year olds. Good teams hardly have any 19-20 year olds in their rotation [especially playoffs] which means they definitely won't have 18 year olds.

SlovenianDragon · Post #9 » by **SlovenianDragon** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:23 pm

Id be okay with high-school to the nba if they increase the rookie contract to 5 years with team options in the last 3.

Ambrose · Post #10 » by **Ambrose** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:24 pm

Yes please.

Pharmcat · Post #11 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:25 pm

Castle Black wrote:NCAA punching the air rn. They’re by far the biggest losers with this rule.

NBA doesn’t need ncaa. Let them draft 18 year olds and put them in g league. Cut the ncaa out of it

Colbinii · Post #12 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:25 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:Id be okay with high-school to the nba if they increase the rookie contract to 5 years with team options in the last 3.

No way is the NBAPA going to do that. Rookie contracts are already the most valuable contracts in the NBA next to Max Contracts. This simply makes the contracts even more valuable.

celticfan42487 · Post #13 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:25 pm

Yeah put them in the world of Irving and Durant and teach 18 year olds how conspiracy theories of Alex Jones are facts while the pretentiousness of KD is the way to happiness in the world.

So happy they addressed 0 issues to help fans and kept the superfriend circle jerk era strong.

kenwood3333 · Post #14 » by **kenwood3333** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:27 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Yeah put them in the world of Irving and Durant and teach 18 year olds how conspiracy theories of Alex Jones are facts while the pretentiousness of KD is the way to happiness in the world.

So happy they addressed 0 issues to help fans and kept the superfriend circle jerk era strong.

NBA's answer to the above is mental health support.

Wall_To_Clips · Post #15 » by **Wall_To_Clips** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:28 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Yeah put them in the world of Irving and Durant and teach 18 year olds how conspiracy theories of Alex Jones are facts while the pretentiousness of KD is the way to happiness in the world.

So happy they addressed 0 issues to help fans and kept the superfriend circle jerk era strong.

Not exactly. As I addressed above they are talking about greatly increasing luxury tax penalties. This hurts super teams, or loaded teams obviously. I believe the Warriors and Clippers current bill would be nearly double. Imagine paying 300 million for a 150 million roster? I don’t care how rich Ballmer and Lacob (is that his name?) are, it’s a deterrent.

Sedale Threatt · Post #16 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:28 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:Honestly, anything to crush the NCAA cartel I am in support of.

Yes. Dabo Swinney just signed a $100-plus million extension and he's usually one of the first people to bloviate about the sanctity of the student-athlete and how they can't possibly be paid because amateurism is the foundation of college sports. If I was in position to bypass the whole screwed-up system I would do it without a second thought.

SlovenianDragon · Post #17 » by **SlovenianDragon** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:30 pm

Colbinii wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:Id be okay with high-school to the nba if they increase the rookie contract to 5 years with team options in the last 3.

No way is the NBAPA going to do that. Rookie contracts are already the most valuable contracts in the NBA next to Max Contracts. This simply makes the contracts even more valuable.

What? The player is skipping college and taking that year in the nba.

It's the same time frame.

If you want to skip college and come to the nba just add that year of college to the rookie contract.

Makes complete sense.

Post #18 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:33 pm

Jaden Hardy was projected top 3 pick a year ago, he was 2nd rounder by year's end, Austin Rivers was HS sensation...
I don't think it's good for the league, bad teams have to either gamble a high pick or let a good team gamble on it with lower pick and cash in.
NBA isn't social services, this is a complex closed system put in place to ensure competitive cycles for all participating teams, the year grace period is to help teams in need of talent to evaluate talent properly.

Colbinii · Post #19 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:35 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:Id be okay with high-school to the nba if they increase the rookie contract to 5 years with team options in the last 3.

No way is the NBAPA going to do that. Rookie contracts are already the most valuable contracts in the NBA next to Max Contracts. This simply makes the contracts even more valuable.

What? The player is skipping college and taking that year in the nba.

It's the same time frame.

If you want to skip college and come to the nba just add that year of college to the rookie contract.

Makes complete sense.

No, this only benefits the NBA teams/owners and not the players.

It isn't exactly the same time frame as it isn't the same "time frame" within the NBA.

Do you believe 20 year old rookies should have 3 year contracts? How about 23 year old rookies not having a rookie contract at all?

You're presenting something which screws over players and the NBAPA isn't going to increase the length of underpaid rookie contracts.

Wall_To_Clips · Post #20 » by **Wall_To_Clips** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:35 pm

KhalilS wrote:Jaden Hardy was projected top 3 pick a year ago, he was 2nd rounder by year's end, Austin Rivers was HS sensation...
I don't think it's good for the league, bad teams have to either gamble a high pick or let a good team gamble on it with lower pick and cash in.
NBA isn't social services, this is a complex closed system put in place to ensure competitive cycles for all participating teams, the year grace period is to help teams in need of talent to evaluate talent properly.

Draft better. That’s on the teams, not the players. The 1 year of college or G League does nothing for the player in the long run that the NBA development won’t do better. It’s nothing more than a facade dude.

What education did you obtain from 1 year? If it’s for evaluation purposes, college hasn’t been all that much better. Many of the best college players haven’t made it in the league, many mediocre college players have gone on to the NBA HOF.

I would rather get them into the G League and let teams evaluate. Nobody is forcing you to draft out of HS. Rookie deals even for mediocre talent aren’t that hard on salary. If they suck, you put them in G League, eventually let them go, don’t pick up 2 year team option etc