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In the spirt of the Gobert thread, I'd thought it would be interesting to look at the other trade that happened over the summer that nabbed a middling all-star for a lot of picks

Spurs traded Murray to the Hawks for 2 unprotected 1sts in 2025 and 2027, another protected 1st via Charlotte, and unprotected swap rights in 2026

Hawks record after 35 games:

Last season: 16-19
This season: 15-18

Spurs record after 35 games

Last season: 14-21
This season: 12-23


Dejounte Murray this season: 20/6/5/1.7 .528 TS%
Dejounte Murray last season: 21/9/8/2 .533 TS%


Doesn't seem like losing Murray has impacted SA much nor has it boosted ATL much and his numbers are down a bit across the board. With the talk of Trae possibly wanting out, how bad is this trade looking now? Especially considering Murray has no intention of signing an extension and could leave for nothing in a couple of years

Bornstellar wrote:In the spirt of the Gobert thread, I'd thought it would be interesting to look at the other trade that happened over the season that nabbed a middling all-star for a lot of picks

Spurs traded Murray to the Hawks for 2 unprotected 1sts in 2025 and 2027, another protected 1st via Charlotte, and unprotected swap rights in 2026

Hawks record after 35 games:

Last season: 16-19
This season: 15-18

Spurs record after 35 games

Last season: 14-21
This season: 12-23


Dejounte Murray this season: 21/9/8/2 .533 TS%
Dejounte Murray last season: 20/6/5/1.7 .528 TS%


Doesn't seem like losing Murray has impacted SA much nor has it boosted ATL much and his numbers are down a bit across the board. With the talk of Trae possibly wanting out, how bad is this trade looking now? Especially considering Murray has no intention of signing an extension and could leave for nothing in a couple of years

I've only seen the Hawks a handful of times but from what I've seen, Murray is not the problem. Maybe some Hawks fans can paint a better picture.

20/5/5 with over 2 stocks on .350/.500/.830 at lower usage compared to last year......... all the while being Atlanta's most versatile defender shouldn't be a disappointment even if the team is.

Hawks I think with time will still be better, Gobert is just a bad fit with Minny. Hawks have struggled in games without Capela 2-6. That's had a bigger impact on their defense.

I think Atlanta were done with drafting players and just wanted a sure bet instead of gambles like reddish with lotto picks.

I also believe it stings as we have seen Huerter made such an impact in a better system and they gave him up for so little and paid so much for Murray.

By the end of the season we should have a surefire answer probably.

kanersen wrote:

Bornstellar wrote:In the spirt of the Gobert thread, I'd thought it would be interesting to look at the other trade that happened over the season that nabbed a middling all-star for a lot of picks

Spurs traded Murray to the Hawks for 2 unprotected 1sts in 2025 and 2027, another protected 1st via Charlotte, and unprotected swap rights in 2026

Hawks record after 35 games:

Last season: 16-19
This season: 15-18

Spurs record after 35 games

Last season: 14-21
This season: 12-23


Dejounte Murray this season: 21/9/8/2 .533 TS%
Dejounte Murray last season: 20/6/5/1.7 .528 TS%


Doesn't seem like losing Murray has impacted SA much nor has it boosted ATL much and his numbers are down a bit across the board. With the talk of Trae possibly wanting out, how bad is this trade looking now? Especially considering Murray has no intention of signing an extension and could leave for nothing in a couple of years

I've only seen the Hawks a handful of times but from what I've seen, Murray is not the problem. Maybe some Hawks fans can paint a better picture.

20/5/5 with over 2 stocks on .350/.500/.830 at lower usage compared to last year all the while being Atlanta's most versatile defender shouldn't be a disappointment even if the team is.

Oh this isn't meant to be a knock at Murray because I don't think he's the reason why they're underperforming. I just don't think he really moves the needle much overall

The price paid for Murray is significantly less than Gobert. And then while ATL is struggling as a team, Murray’s integration doesn’t seem to be as much an issue. Murray isn’t being benched down the stretch of games to my knowledge.

And then of course have to acknowledge the obvious that Gobert is just super unpopular and easy to trash, even if over the top.

in an alternate universe where both teams get a hard case of consumer regret, Murray can be flipped to another team
will they recoup all of his cost? probably not but teams would be willing to give 2 frps to get him i'd imagine

on the other hand, what's the most some1 will pay to get Gobert now?
there isn't a team in the league that will hane out even 50% of what the Wolves paid

The Hawks aren't struggling because of Murray but I also don't like the way he carries himself
he's a low-key head case

Gobert's age \ wage \ limitations as a player (all of which were known before the trade as well, making it an all time terrible headscratching trade) ensure that at least in term of value - the Wolves lost alot in that trade and they can't get most of it back even if they decided to move him at the deadline (they won't, im just saying hypotethically)

with Muray, the Hawks are currently losing on their investment but there are numerous ways for him to be better and more impactfu (meaning - his trade value can come back to a point wher it's at least close to what they paid for him). for instance it gives the Hawks the option to move on from Trae and still have a good starting caliber PG to plug the hole. in addition, coachinh change, schemes changes, more time to intergrate etc. - it's all stil on the table

Wouldn't the Mitchell trade make more sense for a comparison?

Would this trade fix both teams…

To Hawks: Gobert + Anderson + GTJ

To Raptors: Capela

To Wolves: Murray + Collins + Hawks Filler

New Raptors:
Capela
Siakam
Barnes
OG
FVV

New Hawks:
Gobert
Anderson | OO
Hunter
GTJ | BB
Young

New Wolves:
Towns
Collins
McDaniels
Edwards
Murray

IMO, Atl's issues are coaching. Nate had his time but I think they need a young and fresh voice that can unlock them offensively while getting Collins back into the mix. They have talent but it's misused.

Murray is neither the problem nor the solution. A bit much to give up to get him but nowhere near Gobert.

I told y'all Dejounte Murray is a guy that most people stat watch and like the idea of but never seen him play.

Guy is a subpar offensive player and a middling defensive player that is better off as an off-ball defensive playmaker. He can't stay in front of anybody because he gambles too much. He dies on picks. He has a nose for the ball and good instincts but that's it. He's not a stopper.

So the Hawks spent 1st round picks on a guy that in the best of all worlds is a sixth man PG that pushes the tempo and cause havoc for 28 minutes a game.

He's not a starting level featured player on a team with championship aspirations. He's a 4th best player on a championship team player, getting touches like he's a number 1 option on subpar teams.

The Hawks big move being essentially Huerter for Murray

Huerter is a sharp shooter, and Collins usage goes down a bit, replaced by a less efficient shooter in Murray. Offense drops from #2 to #21

Murray improves the D, D jumps #26 to #13

The drop in record can mainly be attributed to Young though, if he were playing as well as last year, they'd have a better record. Is less spacing thanks to Murray to blame? Probably a little, but Young is just playing bad

Either way those, the Conf Finals appearance set expectations too high. Murray is a good, low floor type player, but he's too inefficient to be a great ceiling raiser on his own. More of a Jrue Holiday type. Hawks just don't have top 5 talent, they only won 43 last year

If the Hornets miss the playoffs the next 3 years though, the trade ends up being 2 1sts, not huge

Wolveswin wrote:Would this trade fix both teams…

To Hawks: Gobert + Anderson + GTJ

To Raptors: Capela

To Wolves: Murray + Collins + Hawks Filler

New Raptors:
Capela
Siakam
Barnes
OG
FVV

New Hawks:
Gobert
Anderson | OO
Hunter
GTJ | BB
Young

New Wolves:
Towns
Collins
McDaniels
Edwards
Murray

Your not getting rid of Gobert that easy

The Hawks have also been dealing with a lot of injuries. I don't think we've seen them at an extended period with everyone but seems like they'll figure it out.

I think we gotta give the Wolves more time too but the fit is just so much riskier there.

Murray will make $17.7m next season and expire while Gobert's on a max until summer 2026.

Sure, Murray was a win-now move and giving up those picks will hurt if the Hawks cannot improve, but at least they won't be stuck with an ill-fitting max contract guy for several years.

All these trades are bad ones

Gobert to MIN
Murray to ATL
Mitchell to CLE
Vucevic to CHI

16 picks were traded or will be swaped in these trades and all these teams are first rnd exit folder at best.

ArtMorte wrote:Murray will make $17.7m next season and expire while Gobert's on a max until summer 2026.

Sure, Murray was a win-now move and giving up those picks will hurt if the Hawks cannot improve, but at least they won't be stuck with an ill-fitting max contract guy for several years.

They will re-sign him for a more lucrative contract though. Won't they?

Trae Young’s 41% FG at high usage and bad defense doesn’t help matter.

These things shouldn't be compared right now. Atlanta is +3.3 pts better with Murray on the court while Gobert is a crippling -6.6 for Minnesota. Gobert didn't finish with a negative On/Off in any season with the Jazz. That trade is a catastrophe.

Murray won’t stay in Atlanta lol.

Klutch.