What is the biggest problem in NBA

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Player empowerment or bad owners with no checks. Which is worse?

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Post#1 » by tbhawksfan1 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:27 pm

A lot of complaining about player empowerment and rightfully so. A lot of posters are even wanting the next CBA to reign in the player chaos.

What about the bad owners and the fact that the NBA has no structure to reign in and check these oligarchs. Big business is obligated to have a board and that board can and does check an over-zealous and out of line owner. NBA is clearly a big business but the owners are given supreme power with zero checks and balances.

See Dolan, Sarver and now Ressler...there are other examples...

Accountability is absolutely necessary to avoid ego-maniacs from having a nacissistic blow up and burning it all to the ground. Why is professional sports deviod of the guard rails that exist everywhere else?

I am making this post influenced by my Hawks clueless owner Ressler handing the keys to his 27 year old son with very little quality experience and running off all the "qualified" NBA people to facilitate his son's dominance.

Some will argue that the fans are the checks and balances... but we know that that's not true. No matter how bad they muck it up the fans continue to pay the arena prices and the TV money keeps rolling in
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Post#2 » by Invictus88 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:34 pm

Am I wrong or wouldn't the best case scenario for player empowerment be a bad owner with no checks in place?
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Post#3 » by Jadoogar » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:59 pm

i don't think either of these are issues. At least meaningful issues

There is no overwhelming favourite in the league at the moment and there is so much parity around the league. I don't mind players operating within the confines of the rules to improve their chances of winning a title. The warriors thing was a unique situation with an unprecedented cap spike, KD wouldn't have been able to go to the Warriors under normal situation. I think the league has learned it's lesson and will implement cap smoothing after the next TV deal.

The main issue has been the Harden/Ben Simmons style pouting but there is really no way to stop it. You can fine Simmons for not playing but how can you put an end to someone forcing their way out like Harden did? You can't really mandate playing with efforts into the rules.

From the owner side, there will always be "bad" owners or atleast owners with different motivations. It will be harder for small markets to tank because ticket revenue is so meaningful for them. Big market teams will always place less importance on the draft because players want to come there. Unless you want the league to have teams in like 6 cities, there is no way you can change this.
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Post#4 » by tbhawksfan1 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:02 pm

Invictus88 wrote:Am I wrong or wouldn't the best case scenario for player empowerment be a bad owner with no checks in place?


That's like the definition of the vicious circle. Good owners would tend to emiminate the player entitlement problem by hiring competent executives and managers and letting them do their job. Player steps out of line; nip it in the bud
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Post#5 » by RoxSteady » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:08 pm

MIssed shots. Obviously.
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Post#6 » by CraftylikeaFox » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:20 pm

The 3 point shot isn't fun to watch.
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Post#7 » by sca » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:28 pm

Scoring inflation. Surprisingly not even in the poll.
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Post#8 » by UcanUwill » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:38 pm

To me It is stoppage time. Way worse than overseas basketball, I rather have ad on jerseys than watch 2 minutes of a guy try to find red duck in a pool of yellow rubber duckies, wtf man, we are living in an SNL scetch at this point, what else can we do during NBA timeout, have a book club?
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Post#9 » by Capn'O » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:38 pm

I'd like to see a dynamic three point line from year to year that is responsive to players ability to hit it. I.e. for now move it back, drop the corners and go from there. Or, alternately, change defensive rules so it can be guarded more aggressively. I like the 3 ball but it loses it's luster when everyone can do it, teams play for the 3, and other styles of play are thereby devalued.
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Post#10 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:39 pm

They need to adapt the euro league rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They did for a brief moment in the beginning of last season and it was fun to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#11 » by AbeVigodaLive » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:47 pm

Maybe it's all the whiny fans?

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Post#12 » by sammo89 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:55 pm

Biggest problem is that they use a fake winning % league table. The real league table is the point differential table. Changing this would actually have a huge effect on making teams take the regular season more seriously because the stats show that if you're doing poorly on point differential, you have no chance in the playoffs.
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Post#13 » by Jellybeans » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:10 pm

Dont care about players and owners.
It would be nice if refs actually knew as simple things as travelling and carry ball rules. I dont even care about flopping and foul baiting at this point.
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Post#14 » by Invictus88 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:12 pm

sammo89 wrote:Biggest problem is that they use a fake winning % league table. The real league table is the point differential table. Changing this would actually have a huge effect on making teams take the regular season more seriously because the stats show that if you're doing poorly on point differential, you have no chance in the playoffs.


If this is adopted then team stat-padding instantly becomes a thing and your correlation between point differential and playoff success becomes invalid.
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Post#15 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:15 pm

Need to make the regular season more valuable. I'm at the point where I am no longer blocking my schedule for Bucks games. Both Midds and Giannis could play right now if seeding mattered. I think even a simple fix would be making playoff series 3/2/2. Give more HCA from both a competitive and monetary standpoint. What's the downside? Oh poor fifth seed gets screwed? Nah, just makes them fight for the 5th seed.
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Post#16 » by Jadoogar » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:37 pm

sammo89 wrote:Biggest problem is that they use a fake winning % league table. The real league table is the point differential table. Changing this would actually have a huge effect on making teams take the regular season more seriously because the stats show that if you're doing poorly on point differential, you have no chance in the playoffs.


This sounds horrible. Close losses wouldn't matter because they don't impact your differential as much and would take the drama out of close games. It would have no difference on rest or load management.

Maybe use it as a tie breaker instead of conference wins or whatever but using as the sole determinant of position would be awful
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Post#17 » by 80HD » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:49 pm

Firstly, the league needs to do away with the Defensive 3-second rule.

Secondly, what we actually need is a 3-second offense rule on the perimeter; if you camp out behind the 3 point line - that’s a 3 second violation. This will keep teams from chucking 3’s all day. :)
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Post#18 » by DoctorX » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:08 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:A lot of complaining about player empowerment and rightfully so. A lot of posters are even wanting the next CBA to reign in the player chaos.

What about the bad owners and the fact that the NBA has no structure to reign in and check these oligarchs. Big business is obligated to have a board and that board can and does check an over-zealous and out of line owner. NBA is clearly a big business but the owners are given supreme power with zero checks and balances.

See Dolan, Sarver and now Ressler...there are other examples...

Accountability is absolutely necessary to avoid ego-maniacs from having a nacissistic blow up and burning it all to the ground. Why is professional sports deviod of the guard rails that exist everywhere else?

I am making this post influenced by my Hawks clueless owner Ressler handing the keys to his 27 year old son with very little quality experience and running off all the "qualified" NBA people to facilitate his son's dominance.

Some will argue that the fans are the checks and balances... but we know that that's not true. No matter how bad they muck it up the fans continue to pay the arena prices and the TV money keeps rolling in


There are really no checks on CEO's by the "board" as long as the CEO is making the company money the board will do nothing even if the CEO is corrupt. We have seen this happen so many times. Also, there is golden parachutes that protect these CEO's once they get canned, so they always feel emboldened to do what they want. The checks CEO have in the corporate world are very weak. Terrible example by you.

I think both the Owners and Players are horrible entities. It's like politics where you vote for the lesser of the two evils and for whoever is the closet in pushing your agenda. Right now, I'm anti-player empowerment so I'm siding with the owners.
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Post#19 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:30 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:What about the bad owners and the fact that the NBA has no structure to reign in and check these oligarchs. Big business is obligated to have a board and that board can and does check an over-zealous and out of line owner. NBA is clearly a big business but the owners are given supreme power with zero checks and balances.

See Dolan, Sarver and now Ressler...there are other examples...

Accountability is absolutely necessary to avoid ego-maniacs from having a nacissistic blow up and burning it all to the ground. Why is professional sports deviod of the guard rails that exist everywhere else.

What do you mean "the NBA"?
The NBA is the owners. It is governed by a board, which is basically the owners who collectively make all the important decisions, negotiate with the players union, and appoint an expensive commissar to run their errants. There is nothing else above the owners, it's not like NBA is ruled by some higher authority like the department of sports or something like that, it's just a bunch of private dudes that came together and made a league and run it themselves. The league literally belongs to them, if they decided so they could switch it to volleyball tomorrow.

Which is crap but it's not like the alternatives are necessarily better. I could point you to FIFA and FIBA who are supposed to safeguard their sport from crazy powerful owners but in the end they are pretty terrible and corrupted themselves.



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Post#20 » by PaulKellerman » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:02 pm

Proliferation of 3 point shots. People jacking up 3s on fast breaks which is asinine. I love a good shooting display but seeing Jevon Carter chuck a 3 when he can drive to the rim ought to be a criminal offense

Abolish conferences for playoffs and do the top 16 teams. Add some extreme unpredictability to the post-season and level the playing field even more

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