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After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:51 pm
by 1993Playoffs
It’s so weird after all this time I’m still not sure if I can
I’ve seen him hit deep ass 3s with ease while also struggling to hit a mid range shot. Maybe the most inconsistent jumper of the goat level perimeter players( or magic) lol.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:56 pm
by tsherkin
He is decent. He isn't "good." You can see the decline in his FT shooting, you can see the Kobe-like mediocre 3pt shooting, you can see the acceptable-but-unremarkable middie, and the inconsistent perimeter 2. He's not a particularly impressive shooter, but he also isn't horrible.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:00 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Not sure it matters.

Even if his percentages for 3fg and ft are slightly below league standards... the greatness of his game is that he can score in many different ways (and do a lot of other stuff at an elite level).

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:03 pm
by 1993Playoffs
tsherkin wrote:He is decent. He isn't "good." You can see the decline in his FT shooting, you can see the Kobe-like mediocre 3pt shooting, you can see the acceptable-but-unremarkable middie, and the inconsistent perimeter 2. He's not a particularly impressive shooter, but he also isn't horrible.


But he’s had such high peaks in those areas in seasons, playoffs etc, where he looks Better than even “good” that’s what so weird to me

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:03 pm
by Cavsfansince84
I think he was good for a period of time but even then he was still streaky. Shooting drops off with age because legs don't hold up as well over the course of running around much less playing 35+mpg like LeBron still does. You don't reach the %'s that LeBron reached for a period of time without being a good shooter. Not great but good.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:07 pm
by tsherkin
1993Playoffs wrote:
tsherkin wrote:He is decent. He isn't "good." You can see the decline in his FT shooting, you can see the Kobe-like mediocre 3pt shooting, you can see the acceptable-but-unremarkable middie, and the inconsistent perimeter 2. He's not a particularly impressive shooter, but he also isn't horrible.


But he’s had such high peaks in those areas in seasons, playoffs etc, where he looks Better than even “good” that’s what so weird to me


Yeah, he hits a hot streak as well as anyone, and he's had a season in Miami on smaller volume where he was over 40%, which was a little wild. His mechanics aren't the best and he's added mass, which has clearly hurt him. You see similar declines over time from some bigs like Shaq and Wilt and what-not where they hit the league more competent and grew worse over time. Lebron these past two seasons has been shooting FTs at a level we hadn't seen since 2014, of course, which is nice to see.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:10 pm
by Egg Nog
1993Playoffs wrote:It’s so weird after all this time I’m still not sure if I can


What do you mean "after all this time"?

Why would anything be different over time given that he was never an elite mid range or 3pt shooter before, nor is he currently.

He has always been a decent (but not great) shooter, but he is a very efficient scorer. Nothing has really changed.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:15 pm
by Asianiac_24
He was a good shooter in 2014, not sure what happened after. Definitely not a bad shooter though, you definitely don't want to leave him wide open.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:31 pm
by Statlanta
Below average to Average.

Even his best season was due to shot selection more than actual shooting touch.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:48 pm
by ShootersShoot
I would say solid, somewhat reliable from mid range. Three point shooting very streaky and unreliable, but not terrible.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:48 pm
by tsherkin
Egg Nog wrote: but he is a very efficient scorer. Nothing has really changed.


He was. He hasn't been "very efficient" in quite some time. He's on a nice stretch right now, though, so we shall see what comes the rest of the season.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:01 pm
by KyRo23
ShootersShoot wrote:I would say solid, somewhat reliable from mid range. Three point shooting very streaky and unreliable, but not terrible.


Basically this. His midrange is pretty decent, but he is so streaky from 3 at this point. He's either gonna miss 5 in a row or make 5 in a row. Not much consistency.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:01 pm
by dhsilv2
Given the defensive attention he gets, I'd accept someone saying above average. But that's where I'd draw the line and I'd say he's more or less an average shooter. More proof that while you can improve aspects of shooting you never trained for, people all seem to have ceilings.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:02 pm
by The High Cyde
Superstars have a way of making clutch shots…nobody wants to get hit with a Le****you 3 that’s for sure.

I honestly don’t know though, and I guess that means he’s a good shooter, but not a great one. He just needs a decent jumpshot to keep defenses on their toes, it’s easier to generate better shots that way, whether if it’s he that takes it or another teammate.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:08 pm
by bubonicphoniks
No

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:08 pm
by IAMZOOTED2
LBJs shooting is reliable, dependable even. Wouldn’t go as far as call it elite, but then…. He has myriad ways to score. He has improved his range thru the years, but also the mechanics and fluidity of the shot.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:13 pm
by tsherkin
IAMZOOTED2 wrote:LBJs shooting is reliable, dependable even.


Seems at odd with the season, and with his 3pt shooting in general.

He has improved his range thru the years, but also the mechanics and fluidity of the shot.


Compared to his rookie season, sure, but he hasn't meaningfully improved his shooting ability since 2013, and has seemed to noticeably regress since then, in fact.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:29 pm
by Wagonband
To me he feels as average as possible as possible as a shooter. Not bad, but not good either.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:36 pm
by picko
His shooting is too volatile to be considered a 'good shooter'. He can be very streaky. Although I suppose you could say that he's good enough because his shot still has to be respected and that opens up other avenues for scoring. Nobody treats him now, as the Spurs did in the 2007 Finals.

Re: After 20 years, do you consider LeBron a “Good shooter”?

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:50 pm
by IAMZOOTED2
tsherkin wrote:
IAMZOOTED2 wrote:LBJs shooting is reliable, dependable even.


Seems at odd with the season, and with his 3pt shooting in general.

He has improved his range thru the years, but also the mechanics and fluidity of the shot.


Compared to his rookie season, sure, but he hasn't meaningfully improved his shooting ability since 2013, and has seemed to noticeably regress since then, in fact.



Compared to Jordan, James is only a couple ticks lower… and Jordan was considered both reliable and dependable