LeBron having this kind of season at his age is pretty damn special

[Dino353]

Spoiler:

It is because of how MJ played. He was dominant by himself. Kareem needed Magic and Oscar, great point guards, to run the team for him. He did not win a single ring between leaving Oscar and getting Magic. Lebron is greater than Kareem but Lebron needs floor-spacers around him because he does not have MJ's level of individual skill to get past defenders one-on-one. He is not a great shooter either. MJ just needed competence around him.

MJ has proved it too, by winning as much as Kareem and more than Lebron, in less years than both. He was also MVP + DPOTY + Scoring Champion all in the same season. 6 finals, 6 rings, 6 FMVPS. 10-time scoring champion for a guard, in a time when the playing environment did not favor Guards as much as Bigs. Who can compare to all this? There is nobody.

You must be lacking attention in your personal life kid, LeBron can do what he wants when he wants he's just never had a Pippen or Rodman to do all the heavy lifting for him like Jordan did. All your boy focused on was scoring which is why the Zen Master gave him a specific role within his triangle offense.

So these did not do any heavy lifting for Lebron at all?

Wade?
Bosh?
Ray Allen?
Kyrie?
Love?
AD?
The Bubbleship?

What heavy lifting did any of those players do with LeBron aside from AD? LeBron was always the best scorer,rebounder,defender, and playmaker for practically all his championship teams. With AD it was practically a split.

John Paxson and Steve Kerr practically hit all the big shots on Jordan's runs with the Bulls.Grant,Pippen, and Rodman guarded the likes of Barkley,Cliff,Kemp,Malone,Mourning,Ewing,Mason,Oakley. Rodman was arguably Finals MVP versus the Sonics as well and arguments are always made for Scottie for the 91 and 98 Finals. It's not diminishing what Mike did which was extraordinary but let's not paint it to be like he did it all alone.

Horace Grant was one of the top 5 best defenders in the early 90's along with Scottie Pippen; that's leaving out Harper who at 6"6' was a severe mismatch for opposing teams on that second 3-peat due. Harper was known as "Mini Mike" in his Cleveland days.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kareem won FMVP at 38. Lets not pretend like nobody else has been great at LeBrons age.

His team is terrible. Some of this is just stat padding.

[MavsDirk41]

Just some info on Jabbar, he was much maligned in the press due to his religious beliefs. However, he got both six (6) Championships and all-time records.

Yet Michael is still considered by purist, as the Goat over both, without any further numbers, or trophies required.

It is because of how MJ played. He was dominant by himself. Kareem needed Magic and Oscar, great point guards, to run the team for him. He did not win a single ring between leaving Oscar and getting Magic. Lebron is greater than Kareem but Lebron needs floor-spacers around him because he does not have MJ's level of individual skill to get past defenders one-on-one. He is not a great shooter either. MJ just needed competence around him.

MJ has proved it too, by winning as much as Kareem and more than Lebron, in less years than both. He was also MVP + DPOTY + Scoring Champion all in the same season. 6 finals, 6 rings, 6 FMVPS. 10-time scoring champion for a guard, in a time when the playing environment did not favor Guards as much as Bigs. Who can compare to all this? There is nobody.

You must be lacking attention in your personal life kid, LeBron can do what he wants when he wants he's just never had a Pippen or Rodman to do all the heavy lifting for him like Jordan did. All your boy focused on was scoring which is why the Zen Master gave him a specific role within his triangle offense.

Are you being serious?? Lebron couldnt beat Dirk in the finals and got outplayed by Jet Terry lol. Please

[MavsDirk41]

Spoiler:

You must be lacking attention in your personal life kid, LeBron can do what he wants when he wants he's just never had a Pippen or Rodman to do all the heavy lifting for him like Jordan did. All your boy focused on was scoring which is why the Zen Master gave him a specific role within his triangle offense.

So these did not do any heavy lifting for Lebron at all?

Wade?
Bosh?
Ray Allen?
Kyrie?
Love?
AD?
The Bubbleship?

I'm not going to argue about those players you listed not being great players BUT on topic with the post you are replying to... He said "heavy lifting" which I assume he means Jordan was able to focus on scoring. Great all around player Jordan was, but Pippen often guarded the best player on the other team, lead the team in assists and Rodman was leading the rebounding.

LeBron did ALL of that literally. His teams counted on his to do the "heavy lifting" in almost every way. LeBron had to be the best scorer, defender, rebounder, passer... all of it. I think that's what that poster is referring to.

Maybe cause he always has the ball in his hands, goes for every rebound, chases those stats….and ive seen James coast on defense for years. Take your i love lebron james glasses off and come back to reality for a minute

[MavsDirk41]

Spoiler:

You must be lacking attention in your personal life kid, LeBron can do what he wants when he wants he's just never had a Pippen or Rodman to do all the heavy lifting for him like Jordan did. All your boy focused on was scoring which is why the Zen Master gave him a specific role within his triangle offense.

So these did not do any heavy lifting for Lebron at all?

Wade?
Bosh?
Ray Allen?
Kyrie?
Love?
AD?
The Bubbleship?

What heavy lifting did any of those players do with LeBron aside from AD? LeBron was always the best scorer,rebounder,defender, and playmaker for practically all his championship teams. With AD it was practically a split.

John Paxson and Steve Kerr practically hit all the big shots on Jordan's runs with the Bulls.Grant,Pippen, and Rodman guarded the likes of Barkley,Cliff,Kemp,Malone,Mourning,Ewing,Mason,Oakley. Rodman was arguably Finals MVP versus the Sonics as well and arguments are always made for Scottie for the 91 and 98 Finals. It's not diminishing what Mike did which was extraordinary but let's not paint it to be like he did it all alone.

Horace Grant was one of the top 5 best defenders in the early 90's along with Scottie Pippen; that's leaving out Harper who at 6"6' was a severe mismatch for opposing teams on that second 3-peat due. Harper was known as "Mini Mike" in his Cleveland days.

Who hit the big shot agsinst Miami 2013? Not James
Who hit the big shot against Golden St in 2016? Not James
Harper was 32 and washed when he played for the Bulls.

There was no argument for finals MVP in any of those series. And if James is so clutch why did my guy Dirk outplay him in 2011 finals? Why was Bosh defending him and not James in critical situations/points of the game? I think you are trying to hard to trash Jordan to put James on a pedastal to be honest.

[Dino353]

So these did not do any heavy lifting for Lebron at all?

Wade?
Bosh?
Ray Allen?
Kyrie?
Love?
AD?
The Bubbleship?

What heavy lifting did any of those players do with LeBron aside from AD? LeBron was always the best scorer,rebounder,defender, and playmaker for practically all his championship teams. With AD it was practically a split.

John Paxson and Steve Kerr practically hit all the big shots on Jordan's runs with the Bulls.Grant,Pippen, and Rodman guarded the likes of Barkley,Cliff,Kemp,Malone,Mourning,Ewing,Mason,Oakley. Rodman was arguably Finals MVP versus the Sonics as well and arguments are always made for Scottie for the 91 and 98 Finals. It's not diminishing what Mike did which was extraordinary but let's not paint it to be like he did it all alone.

Horace Grant was one of the top 5 best defenders in the early 90's along with Scottie Pippen; that's leaving out Harper who at 6"6' was a severe mismatch for opposing teams on that second 3-peat due. Harper was known as "Mini Mike" in his Cleveland days.

Who hit the big shot agsinst Miami 2013? Not James
Who hit the big shot against Golden St in 2016? Not James
Harper was 32 and washed when he played for the Bulls.

There was no argument for finals MVP in any of those series. And if James is so clutch why did my guy Dirk outplay him in 2011 finals? Why was Bosh defending him and not James in critical situations/points of the game? I think you are trying to hard to trash Jordan to put James on a pedastal to be honest.

Well 2013 without LeBron's scoring binge in the 4th quarter the Heat would've got blown out; not to mention LeBron hit the 3 before Allen's shot. 2016 LeBron scored like 12 points on the fourth quarter of that Game 7 and his defense was a big reason they even were able to make a 3-1 comeback, LeBron was the orchestrator.

Well that's why LeBron is the GOAT because he has had to defend every position on the court practically his entire career aside from center and 2011 Dirk smoked Lillard,Kobe, and Durant before the Finals.

[One Last Shot]

It is because of how MJ played. He was dominant by himself. Kareem needed Magic and Oscar, great point guards, to run the team for him. He did not win a single ring between leaving Oscar and getting Magic. Lebron is greater than Kareem but Lebron needs floor-spacers around him because he does not have MJ's level of individual skill to get past defenders one-on-one. He is not a great shooter either. MJ just needed competence around him.

MJ has proved it too, by winning as much as Kareem and more than Lebron, in less years than both. He was also MVP + DPOTY + Scoring Champion all in the same season. 6 finals, 6 rings, 6 FMVPS. 10-time scoring champion for a guard, in a time when the playing environment did not favor Guards as much as Bigs. Who can compare to all this? There is nobody.

You must be lacking attention in your personal life kid, LeBron can do what he wants when he wants he's just never had a Pippen or Rodman to do all the heavy lifting for him like Jordan did. All your boy focused on was scoring which is why the Zen Master gave him a specific role within his triangle offense.

Are you being serious?? Lebron couldnt beat Dirk in the finals and got outplayed by Jet Terry lol. Please

Lol. That's just one season out of his 20 years in the NBA or 5% of his playing career. He needed that big L to get humbled. After that series he made the NBA Finals 8 more times and won the Championship four times in 3 different teams. Even MJ lose 3 straight 1st Round Playoffs Series and didn't won anything without Pippen ever Is he not the GOAT because of those 3 years he got stomped in the opening round?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Kareem won FMVP at 38. Lets not pretend like nobody else has been great at LeBrons age.

His team is terrible. Some of this is just stat padding.

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

[MavsDirk41]

What heavy lifting did any of those players do with LeBron aside from AD? LeBron was always the best scorer,rebounder,defender, and playmaker for practically all his championship teams. With AD it was practically a split.

John Paxson and Steve Kerr practically hit all the big shots on Jordan's runs with the Bulls.Grant,Pippen, and Rodman guarded the likes of Barkley,Cliff,Kemp,Malone,Mourning,Ewing,Mason,Oakley. Rodman was arguably Finals MVP versus the Sonics as well and arguments are always made for Scottie for the 91 and 98 Finals. It's not diminishing what Mike did which was extraordinary but let's not paint it to be like he did it all alone.

Horace Grant was one of the top 5 best defenders in the early 90's along with Scottie Pippen; that's leaving out Harper who at 6"6' was a severe mismatch for opposing teams on that second 3-peat due. Harper was known as "Mini Mike" in his Cleveland days.

Who hit the big shot agsinst Miami 2013? Not James
Who hit the big shot against Golden St in 2016? Not James
Harper was 32 and washed when he played for the Bulls.

There was no argument for finals MVP in any of those series. And if James is so clutch why did my guy Dirk outplay him in 2011 finals? Why was Bosh defending him and not James in critical situations/points of the game? I think you are trying to hard to trash Jordan to put James on a pedastal to be honest.

Well 2013 without LeBron's scoring binge in the 4th quarter the Heat would've got blown out; not to mention LeBron hit the 3 before Allen's shot. 2016 LeBron scored like 12 points on the fourth quarter of that Game 7 and his defense was a big reason they even were able to make a 3-1 comeback, LeBron was the orchestrator.

Well that's why LeBron is the GOAT because he has had to defend every position on the court practically his entire career aside from center and 2011 Dirk smoked Lillard,Kobe, and Durant before the Finals.

So its a consensus from every nba fan, spectator, broadcaster, owner that James is the goat?? Where did you find these facts i want to see this for myself. If you claim this show facts please.

Ive seen James coast on defense for years so please lay off that. Dirk cooked them in 2011 finals and he didnt even try to defend Dirk. James is lucky he had Kyrie and Allen to hit those clutch shots.

[MavsDirk41]

Kareem won FMVP at 38. Lets not pretend like nobody else has been great at LeBrons age.

His team is terrible. Some of this is just stat padding.

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

Kyrie?? You mean Kareem!? Im confused on where Kyrie came from

[MavsDirk41]

You must be lacking attention in your personal life kid, LeBron can do what he wants when he wants he's just never had a Pippen or Rodman to do all the heavy lifting for him like Jordan did. All your boy focused on was scoring which is why the Zen Master gave him a specific role within his triangle offense.

Are you being serious?? Lebron couldnt beat Dirk in the finals and got outplayed by Jet Terry lol. Please

Lol. That's just one season out of his 20 years in the NBA or 5% of his playing career. He needed that big L to get humbled. After that series he made the NBA Finals 8 more times and won the Championship four times in 3 different teams. Even MJ lose 3 straight 1st Round Playoffs Series and didn't won anything without Pippen ever Is he not the GOAT because of those 3 years he got stomped in the opening round?

Why is it so impressive to win a title with 3 teams? Does Jordan, Bird, Magic get punished because they won championships and spent their carrer with one team and didnt bail on their franchise?

Names the other starting players on those Bulls teams without Pippen please.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kareem won FMVP at 38. Lets not pretend like nobody else has been great at LeBrons age.

His team is terrible. Some of this is just stat padding.

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

Completely irrelevent

[One Last Shot]

Are you being serious?? Lebron couldnt beat Dirk in the finals and got outplayed by Jet Terry lol. Please

Lol. That's just one season out of his 20 years in the NBA or 5% of his playing career. He needed that big L to get humbled. After that series he made the NBA Finals 8 more times and won the Championship four times in 3 different teams. Even MJ lose 3 straight 1st Round Playoffs Series and didn't won anything without Pippen ever Is he not the GOAT because of those 3 years he got stomped in the opening round?

Why is it so impressive to win a title with 3 teams? Does Jordan, Bird, Magic get punished because they won championships and spent their carrer with one team and didnt bail on their franchise?

Names the other starting players on those Bulls teams without Pippen please.

I don't know, maybe because 11 other NBA Franchise hasn't won a single championship in their existence? Who said they are punished? Winning a title is the highest achievement you can get in the NBA. LeBron did it 4 times with 3 different teams, surrounded by different players with different system, playstyle and head coach every time. I know a 23 years old MJ played with Charles Oakley who averaged 20 ppg, 15 rpg in one of his 1st Round Sweep, they also got Paxson and Wooldridge who averaged 22.0 ppg in his 2 seasons with the Bulls playing with MJ. You know who's the teammates of 22 years old LeBron when he lead the Cavs to NBA Finals in 2007?

[TheLand13]

Kareem won FMVP at 38. Lets not pretend like nobody else has been great at LeBrons age.

His team is terrible. Some of this is just stat padding.

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

Kyrie?? You mean Kareem!? Im confused on where Kyrie came from

It’s a joke that comes from HB being a massive Irving lover because he’s on the Nets. Don’t pay any attention to it, it’s being played for laughs.

[MavsDirk41]

Lol. That's just one season out of his 20 years in the NBA or 5% of his playing career. He needed that big L to get humbled. After that series he made the NBA Finals 8 more times and won the Championship four times in 3 different teams. Even MJ lose 3 straight 1st Round Playoffs Series and didn't won anything without Pippen ever Is he not the GOAT because of those 3 years he got stomped in the opening round?

Why is it so impressive to win a title with 3 teams? Does Jordan, Bird, Magic get punished because they won championships and spent their carrer with one team and didnt bail on their franchise?

Names the other starting players on those Bulls teams without Pippen please.

I don't know, maybe because 11 other NBA Franchise hasn't won a single championship in their existence? Who said they are punished? Winning a title is the highest achievement you can get in the NBA. LeBron did it 4 times with 3 different teams, surrounded by different players with different system, playstyle and head coach every time. I know a 23 years old MJ played with Charles Oakley who averaged 20 ppg, 15 rpg in one of his 1st Round Sweep, they also got Paxson and Wooldridge who averaged 22.0 ppg in his 2 seasons with the Bulls playing with MJ. You know who's the teammates of 22 years old LeBron when he lead the Cavs to NBA Finals in 2007?

Well Big Z has more all star appearances than the Oak and Woolridge.

Not for nothing but didnt Cleveland beat Detroit with Rip Hamilton, Billups, and Rasheed Wallace in the ECF? Not exactly a powerhouse.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Kareem won FMVP at 38. Lets not pretend like nobody else has been great at LeBrons age.

His team is terrible. Some of this is just stat padding.

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

Kyrie?? You mean Kareem!? Im confused on where Kyrie came from

You should be...It was a totally uncalled for/slanderous non sequitur.

[MavsDirk41]

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

Kyrie?? You mean Kareem!? Im confused on where Kyrie came from

It’s a joke that comes from HB being a massive Irving lover because he’s on the Nets. Don’t pay any attention to it, it’s being played for laughs.

Gotcha

[Hello Brooklyn]

Show me when Kyrie has made a team better.

Kyrie?? You mean Kareem!? Im confused on where Kyrie came from

It’s a joke that comes from HB being a massive Irving lover because he’s on the Nets. Don’t pay any attention to it, it’s being played for laughs.

Yeah its a "joke" because you guys are obsessed with Kyrie.

This thread has nothing to do with him and you have to bring him up. If anyone is an "Irving lover" its you

Hes lives in your head rent free.

[KyRo23]

So these did not do any heavy lifting for Lebron at all?

Wade?
Bosh?
Ray Allen?
Kyrie?
Love?
AD?
The Bubbleship?

I'm not going to argue about those players you listed not being great players BUT on topic with the post you are replying to... He said "heavy lifting" which I assume he means Jordan was able to focus on scoring. Great all around player Jordan was, but Pippen often guarded the best player on the other team, lead the team in assists and Rodman was leading the rebounding.

LeBron did ALL of that literally. His teams counted on his to do the "heavy lifting" in almost every way. LeBron had to be the best scorer, defender, rebounder, passer... all of it. I think that's what that poster is referring to.

Maybe cause he always has the ball in his hands, goes for every rebound, chases those stats….and ive seen James coast on defense for years. Take your i love lebron james glasses off and come back to reality for a minute

Perhaps he has the ball in his hands because that’s the best option. Especially during his championship years. I don’t really think that’s all debatable. Chasing rebounds? Hardly. He isn’t even relatively known for doing that. Also please show me these coasting on defense playoff series, because I can assure you they don’t exist.

I mean we can go back to one of the best finals matchups ever played in 2016… you know where LeBron lead BOTH teams in every major statistical category for 7 games. Show me where Jordan did that. Didn’t have to. As stated he had Pippen to do that heavy lifting as well as Rodman. Take the glasses off homie

[TheLand13]

Kyrie?? You mean Kareem!? Im confused on where Kyrie came from

It’s a joke that comes from HB being a massive Irving lover because he’s on the Nets. Don’t pay any attention to it, it’s being played for laughs.

Yeah its a "joke" because you guys are obsessed with Kyrie.

This thread has nothing to do with him and you have to bring him up. If anyone is an "Irving lover" its you

Hes lives in your head rent free.

I didn’t bring him up at all. I’m not even the one who made the joke. I’m just explaining to him why he said that.