How come there's no voter fatigue for Jokic?

TK Smart · Post #1 » by **TK Smart** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:47 pm

Every year we hear the same thing about why guys like Giannis and LeBron don't win it every season, it's voter fatigue. I remember hearing about voter fatigue as far back in the 90's about why Michael Jordan didn't win every year. How come nobody's talking about voter fatigue this MVP race?

It's not like Giannis team hasn't been hobbled this year missing their second/third best player (depending on who you ask), they don't have a better record, he isn't the best two way player in basketball and a DPOTY caliber guy giving you 31 points a game on elite efficiency with 5 assists and 12 boards or the Bucks aren't on a 15 game winning streak with him in the lineup or anything absurd like that. He should be running away with it this at this point in the season with the run the Bucks are on with voter fatigue hurting Jokic's MVP case, right?

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #2 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:50 pm

TK Smart wrote:Every year we hear the same thing about why guys like Giannis and LeBron don't win it every season, it's voter fatigue. I remember hearing about voter fatigue as far back in the 90's about why Michael Jordan didn't win every year. How come nobody's talking about voter fatigue this MVP race?

It's not like Giannis team hasn't been hobbled this year missing their second/third best player (depending on who you ask), they don't have a better record, he isn't the best two way player in basketball and a DPOTY caliber guy giving you 31 points a game on elite efficiency with 5 assists and 12 boards or the Bucks aren't on a 15 game winning streak with him in the lineup or anything absurd like that. He should be running away with it this at this point in the season with the run the Bucks are on with voter fatigue hurting Jokic's MVP case, right?

because noone talks about Jokic as much as the other guys.

Karate Diop · Post #3 » by **Karate Diop** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:52 pm

There is voter fatigue, and you'll see it when Embiid undeservedly wins MVP.

cam24thomas · Post #4 » by **cam24thomas** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:52 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:because noone talks about Jokic as much as the other guys.

Exactly, Jokic remains almost underrated despite the MVPs.... while Doncic, Embiid, Tatum and Giannis get most praise.

UcanUwill · Post #5 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:53 pm

everyones talking about voters fatigue for Jokic, that might as well hurt him at the end, but he is just too good.

JayMKE · Post #6 » by **JayMKE** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:54 pm

Sports writers like to give it guys “who play the right way” rather than the actual best player, they’ll be giving it Luka soon as they can justify it.

Post #7 » by **bisme37** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:55 pm

They haven't voted for MVP yet and I do hear voter fatigue being brought up in the discussion. So I don't know where this is coming from.

PedroFlu · Post #8 » by **PedroFlu** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:56 pm

If you watch Jokic's games, honestly, it's impossible not to vote for him.

What he's doing on offense is simply astounding and possibly unprecedented. He generates clean looks for his team the entire game, the whole time - and not 3pt looks by driving, but actual assists under the basket. All while being ridiculously efficient, being able to score from anywhere on the court, and making the correct call almost every play.

It's so good voter fatigue doesn't really apply lol. He gets better every year and is at his absolute peak.

Post #9 » by **Harry Garris** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:59 pm

He's rarely the headline topic on talk shows unless they specifically talk about how he might not win MVP despite being the most deserving player for it because of fatigue. So there isn't really that much to get fatigued over. And if all the average sports journalist hears about Jokic is that he probably should win MVP but other sports journalists might not vote for him because they did the last two years, all the more reason to vote for Jokic.

With Lebron and MJ especially voter fatigue was more of a factor because we had to read and/or listen to topics about them every single day.

Exp0sed · Post #10 » by **Exp0sed** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:59 pm

if it wasn't for voter fatigue and\or made up criterias about what it takes to win 3 in a row - Jokic would have won it in Januray

also, I would imagine fatigue would be a major issue if his competitors were playing as well as him, were better seeded and\or playing as much as him. it would also be more of an issue if he was replicating his last seasons

However, since he is actually playing better than he did in those two incredible seasons, and still playing more games than all of his rivals (except Tatum) and is leading the West comfortably - fatigue really can't set in

moreover, voter fatigue might be linked with a certain sense of boredom, but Jokic is having one of the best individual seasons ever
and his is the sole reason his team has the highest rated offense in the history of the NBA

that's not boring at all, it's quite remarkable actually

hard to get fatigued when u know ur watching something special almost every night

jokeboy86 · Post #11 » by **jokeboy86** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:01 pm

TK Smart wrote:Every year we hear the same thing about why guys like Giannis and LeBron don't win it every season, it's voter fatigue. I remember hearing about voter fatigue as far back in the 90's about why Michael Jordan didn't win every year. How come nobody's talking about voter fatigue this MVP race?

It's not like Giannis team hasn't been hobbled this year missing their second/third best player (depending on who you ask), they don't have a better record, he isn't the best two way player in basketball and a DPOTY caliber guy giving you 31 points a game on elite efficiency with 5 assists and 12 boards or the Bucks aren't on a 15 game winning streak with him in the lineup or anything absurd like that. He should be running away with it this at this point in the season with the run the Bucks are on with voter fatigue hurting Jokic's MVP case, right?

Michael Jordan · Post #12 » by **Michael Jordan** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:01 pm

If Jokic wins 3 MVP's and Lebron retires with 4 that'll be kinda perplexing.

With that being said I think Jokic or Giannis should win it this year.

Pythagoras · Post #13 » by **Pythagoras** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:02 pm

Karate Diop wrote:There is voter fatigue, and you'll see it when Embiid undeservedly wins MVP.

I agree that we will see voter fatigue hurt Jokic, but I think Tatum is going to be the beneficiary.

SK21209 · Post #14 » by **SK21209** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:02 pm

I think part of it is that there's also fatigue with the other primary candidates. The Top 3 in this month's straw poll were: 1. Jokic; 2. Giannis; and 3. Embiid. The 2022 MVP voting was: 1. Jokic; 2. Embiid; and 3. Giannis. The 2021 MVP voting was: 1. Jokic; 2. Embiid; and 3. Curry, with Giannis in 4th. I think its easier to keep picking the same guy when you're also picking him over the same guys for the same reasons. The new guy hasn't come along to take it from Jokic. The media/fans have wanted it to be Luka, but he and his team aren't quite there yet. I thought it might be Tatum coming into this season but the advanced stats just aren't even close.

Bank Shot · Post #15 » by **Bank Shot** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:03 pm

Giannis did not run into voter fatigue. Jokic just had a better regular season than him. If someone was having a better season than Jokic this year, they'd get it. Since no one is, he's MVP again.

UcanUwill · Post #16 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:04 pm

Michael Jordan wrote:If Jokic wins 3 MVP's and Lebron retires with 4 that'll be kinda perplexing.

With that being said I think Jokic or Giannis should win it this year.

It is regular season award, and LeBron mailed it in a lot of seasons, he deserved more MVPs probably, but how much more?

JayMKE · Post #17 » by **JayMKE** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:05 pm

If Jokic doesn’t have success in the playoffs this year he’s going to relegated to James Harden territory, can’t have an MVP who gets relentlessly targeted in the playoffs. The prestige of the MVP award will take a hit if its just who has the best efficiency & advances stats on offense.

Another thing is that defense is not played in the regular season or apparently factored in the MVP award voting. Its just a PPGz award

ReddoverKobe · Post #18 » by **ReddoverKobe** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:05 pm

PedroFlu wrote:If you watch Jokic's games, honestly, it's impossible not to vote for him.

What he's doing on offense is simply astounding and possibly unprecedented. He generates clean looks for his team the entire game, the whole time - and not 3pt looks by driving, but actual assists under the basket. All while being ridiculously efficient, being able to score from anywhere on the court, and making the correct call almost every play.

It's so good voter fatigue doesn't really apply lol. He gets better every year and is at his absolute peak.

And Embiid and Giannis are leagues better on defense. Which also matters I hear

TK Smart · Post #19 » by **TK Smart** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:09 pm

UcanUwill wrote:everyones talking about voters fatigue for Jokic, that might as well hurt him at the end, but he is just too good.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35658669/nba-mvp-straw-poll-20-nikola-jokic-chasing-history-here-why-capture-it

I don't see any references to "voter fatigue" at all in this recent straw poll where it's looking like Jokic has 7x's the amount of first place votes while the Bucks are in the middle of a 14 game win streak.

Bornstellar · Post #20 » by **Bornstellar** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:10 pm

Because it's about narrative. And every year he has a new narrative. Last season it was almost winning 50 games while playing without his two best players and and otherwise bad roster. This season it's #1 seed while averaging a triple double on absurd efficiency. If he was a middling seed again and not posting a TD on 70TS% it would probably be Tatum or Embiid