NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (part 4 - The Final MVP Countdown!)

Post #1 » by **bisme37** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:47 pm

The last few weeks of the regular season are upon us and someone will soon be crowned MVP of the NBA's 2022-23 season!

Vote for 2 choices in the poll: Who you think WILL win the award and who you think SHOULD win the award. If it's the same player vote for him twice, obviously.

The choices have been narrowed down to the top 5 per betting odds, MVP Ladders, previous RGM polls, etc.

The poll is set up so you can change your vote(s) as often as you like.

Have fun and please don't attack people you disagree with. Debate the post but don't insult the poster him or herself. Thanks, good pals.

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eyeatoma · Post #2 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:49 pm

Nice little twist!

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GSWFan1994 · Post #3 » by **GSWFan1994** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:07 pm

This is obviously Jokic's award to lose.

He will only lose it if Giannis goes on a legendary run from now on.

All the other candidates either don't have the mythical stats (Jokic has), or the team record isn't good enough.

Folks, we've got to realize Jokic is in the middle of one of the best stretches in NBA history, like Bird 84/86, Jordan 90/92, LeBron 12/14 and so on... he NEEDS the team success to validate his greatness, though.

I'd also like to say that you suck, Bisme. Have a good afternoon. Cheers.

eyeatoma · Post #4 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:26 pm

Defense matters

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Post #5 » by **Dirk** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:28 pm

An anonymous Philly fan asked me to post this.

AleksandarN · Post #6 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:29 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Defense matters

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Then Giannis wins

eyeatoma · Post #7 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:30 pm

Dirk wrote:

An anonymous Philly fan asked me to post this.

Haha, the matador style, truly a Jokic special.

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eyeatoma · Post #8 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:30 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Defense matters

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Then Giannis wins

He has a good shot.

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AleksandarN · Post #9 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:32 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Defense matters

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Then Giannis wins
He has a good shot.

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Better than embiid if we are talking defense. Giannis is the better defender between the three candidates

AleksandarN · Post #10 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:33 pm

Dirk wrote:

An anonymous Philly fan asked me to post this.

Yup Jokic worse defensive game of the year. Effort was not there.

LessEyeTest · Post #11 » by **LessEyeTest** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:39 pm

What’d the point of bringing in tweets from Philly reporters? If that’s the case I may as well flood the thread with Denver reporter tweets…

sammo89 · Post #12 » by **sammo89** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:45 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:This is obviously Jokic's award to lose.

He will only lose it if Giannis goes on a legendary run from now on.

All the other candidates either don't have the mythical stats (Jokic has), or the team record isn't good enough.

Folks, we've got to realize Jokic is in the middle of one of the best stretches in NBA history, like Bird 84/86, Jordan 90/92, LeBron 12/14 and so on... he NEEDS the team success to validate his greatness, though.

I'd also like to say that you suck, Bisme. Have a good afternoon. Cheers.

This is precisely what he will do

iggymcfrack · Post #13 » by **iggymcfrack** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:09 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:This is obviously Jokic's award to lose.

He will only lose it if Giannis goes on a legendary run from now on.

All the other candidates either don't have the mythical stats (Jokic has), or the team record isn't good enough.

Folks, we've got to realize Jokic is in the middle of one of the best stretches in NBA history, like Bird 84/86, Jordan 90/92, LeBron 12/14 and so on... he NEEDS the team success to validate his greatness, though.

I'd also like to say that you suck, Bisme. Have a good afternoon. Cheers.

Giannis hasn’t even been playing lately. He’s slipped to 3rd. Basically, it’s:

90%- Jokic wins
7%- Jokic suffers a lengthy injury late in the season
3%- Embiid goes on a tear at the end of the season and the Sixers pass the Bucks and/or the Nuggets in overall record allowing the narrative to get people to vote for the “hot” guy.

Bum Adebayo · Post #14 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:18 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Then Giannis wins
He has a good shot.

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Better than embiid if we are talking defense. Giannis is the better defender between the three candidates

Maybe in past seasons, this season definitely not, only 0.51 DRPM, Jokic has been a better defender than Giannis.

Floody100 · Post #15 » by **Floody100** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:21 pm

I’d rather the MVP be a bad defender than someone who flops all game. Looks terrible for the league when half his offensive game is relied on flailing his body around & looking for the refs to call a foul. Especially when that said player is 280 pounds lol

AleksandarN · Post #16 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:38 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:He has a good shot.

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Better than embiid if we are talking defense. Giannis is the better defender between the three candidates

Maybe in past seasons, this season definitely not, only 0.51 DRPM, Jokic has been a better defender than Giannis.

Not even close. I don’t mind admitting jokic is the worse defender. Now will embiid fans admit that embiid is not the better defender or offensive player of the three?

Post #17 » by **Harry Garris** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:58 pm

With how toxic the debate around the MVP award has become I've found myself longing for a simpler time where the default was the best player on the best team.

That's most likely going to be Giannis, but Jokic and Embiid also have a chance to lead their teams to the best record in the league by the end of the year. Given that their counting stats are all pretty similar and we clearly can't figure out a way to quantify their defensive value anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing the award just going to whoever finishes with the best record.

kuclas · Post #18 » by **kuclas** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:03 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Then Giannis wins
He has a good shot.

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Better than embiid if we are talking defense. Giannis is the better defender between the three candidates

Giannis is the better help defender. That’s clarify that. He’s not the better one on one defender.

Even bucks fans will admit that.

Defense is a lot. Embiid can and will go one on one defense with anyone including Giannis. That tells you the defender embiid is. Giannis has to provide help defense for Lopez when they play embiid.

Does embiid take plays off on defense. Of course he does these days. But u can tell when he actually tries to play defense. I don’t have the immediate link. But someone posted embiid blocks in the last 3 minutes of games these seasons. Sixers have been in a lot of close games. Embiid coasts and finally decided to provide great defense at end of games a lot of times this season.

Help defense vs one on one defense are completely different types of defenses.

AleksandarN · Post #19 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:11 pm

kuclas wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:He has a good shot.

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Better than embiid if we are talking defense. Giannis is the better defender between the three candidates

Giannis is the better help defender. That’s clarify that. He’s not the better one on one defender.

Even bucks fans will admit that.

Defense is a lot. Embiid can and will go one on one defense with anyone including Giannis. That tells you the defender embiid is. Giannis has to provide help defense for Lopez when they play embiid.

Does embiid take plays off on defense. Of course he does these days. But u can tell when he actually tries to play defense. I don’t have the immediate link. But someone posted embiid blocks in the last 3 minutes of games these seasons. Sixers have been in a lot of close games. Embiid coasts and finally decided to provide great defense at end of games a lot of times this season.

Help defense vs one on one defense are completely different types of defenses.

Except guard Jokic in the second half of their game. Jokic guarded embiid the whole game even after getting /cooked throughout the second half of the game. It was a good call by doc though turned the game around in the second half. Because the first half the 76ers were the one getting cooked. Can’t wait for the rematch in 2 weeks. Will Embiid guard Jokic one on one? Since you think embiid is a great one on one defender he should lock down jokic. Regardless of what happens this will be a great game. Playoff atmosphere

CobraCommander · Post #20 » by **CobraCommander** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:13 pm

Harry Garris wrote:With how toxic the debate around the MVP award has become I've found myself longing for a simpler time where the default was the best player on the best team.

That's most likely going to be Giannis, but Jokic and Embiid also have a chance to lead their teams to the best record in the league by the end of the year. Given that their counting stats are all pretty similar and we clearly can't figure out a way to quantify their defensive value anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing the award just going to whoever finishes with the best record.

I still have Jokic as my mvp and he should still be the mvp favorite among the human race

But in a year where we have two 70 point games and other insane stat games by other non-mvp level guys...Giannis and Embiid are putting up more crazy single game stat line games than Jokic....so while Jokics efficiency stat lines are much better than Embiidand Giannis...I wonder if the voters are going to swayed by these 50+ 15+ outburst by Giannis and Embiid...

At this point Tatum and Luka are wayyyyyyy in the real view...right? Or is it gonna be a 5 man race at the end ?

2 questions- 1) Who WILL win MVP -- 2) Who SHOULD win MVP (vote for 2)