Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (part 4 - The Final MVP Countdown!)
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:56 am
Its over Jokic stans
Its the year of Emvpiid.
Its the year of Emvpiid.
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ken6199 wrote:I don't care who wins, just for entertainment value based on what I see in this thread, I wish Embiid wins for this enthusiastic dude.
I know first hand what it feels like to support a villain. I have no fuss on everyone hating him, yep plenty to hate about, but to me it's a big deal to understate his strength (blah blah blah he stat pads, it's all usage, ball monopoly) just based on your dislikes yet magnify his weakness. Not players are perfect, yet some are treated unfairly with people self-confused with their personal emotion and basketball facts.
Same with Embiid, dude has been one of the most unpopular superstars on this board treated the same like those other villains he goes up against who "play the game the right way", who "can do no wrong", who "you dare to say something bad about them the entire board will pile on you".
Stick one up in their asses, Embiid. **** that hateful ****.
eyeatoma wrote:ken6199 wrote:I don't care who wins, just for entertainment value based on what I see in this thread, I wish Embiid wins for this enthusiastic dude.
I know first hand what it feels like to support a villain. I have no fuss on everyone hating him, yep plenty to hate about, but to me it's a big deal to understate his strength (blah blah blah he stat pads, it's all usage, ball monopoly) just based on your dislikes yet magnify his weakness. Not players are perfect, yet some are treated unfairly with people self-confused with their personal emotion and basketball facts.
Same with Embiid, dude has been one of the most unpopular superstars on this board treated the same like those other villains he goes up against who "play the game the right way", who "can do no wrong", who "you dare to say something bad about them the entire board will pile on you".
Stick one up in their asses, Embiid. **** that hateful ****.
LMAO!
Wolfgang630 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Really quiet in here, kind of amusing. The moment the advanced stats champ stopped getting them wins, all I hear are crickets....
Don’t you get tired of antagonizing?
Dutchball97 wrote:I still think Jokic should still win MVP and I'm not sure Embiid has enough time to change my mind even if it's been getting closer recently.
That said I also voted that Embiid will win the award. I don't think he deserves to win the award as it stands now. However, the media is foaming at the mouth to vote for anyone not named Jokic so I guess they'll hand it to Embiid with the recent narrative going haywire.
For context before I get hate for this:
EPM: Jokic +7.9 (1st) vs Embiid +7.4 (2nd)
LEBRON: Jokic +8.35 (1st) vs Embiid +5.1 (4th)
RAPTOR: Jokic +14.2 (1st) vs Embiid +8.1 (3rd)
RAPM: Jokic +4.01 (1st) vs Embiid +2.38 (19th)
BPM: Jokic +12.9 (1st) vs Embiid +9.1 (3rd)
WS/48: Jokic .309 (1st) vs Embiid .264 (3rd)
PER: Jokic 31.5 (2nd) vs Embiid 31.7 (1st)
You can ignore the purpose of MVP as regular season award and project the play-offs for some reason and speculate Embiid will do better despite that never being the case in any of the previous post-seasons, you can suddenly care about record again now the 76ers are in front again even if you ignored that the rest of the season (not seeding though, that doesn't count unless the 76ers get a better seed than the Nuggets because then it's super important again), you can get into semantics how nobody should ever get a 3rd MVP because some journalists got very tired sometime in the 90s but there is no real statistical case to be made to pick Embiid over Jokic this season (unless of course you have no idea what these stats mean and suddenly become the biggest PER supporter we've seen on this planet).
Bum Adebayo wrote:Dutchball97 wrote:I still think Jokic should still win MVP and I'm not sure Embiid has enough time to change my mind even if it's been getting closer recently.
That said I also voted that Embiid will win the award. I don't think he deserves to win the award as it stands now. However, the media is foaming at the mouth to vote for anyone not named Jokic so I guess they'll hand it to Embiid with the recent narrative going haywire.
For context before I get hate for this:
EPM: Jokic +7.9 (1st) vs Embiid +7.4 (2nd)
LEBRON: Jokic +8.35 (1st) vs Embiid +5.1 (4th)
RAPTOR: Jokic +14.2 (1st) vs Embiid +8.1 (3rd)
RAPM: Jokic +4.01 (1st) vs Embiid +2.38 (19th)
BPM: Jokic +12.9 (1st) vs Embiid +9.1 (3rd)
WS/48: Jokic .309 (1st) vs Embiid .264 (3rd)
PER: Jokic 31.5 (2nd) vs Embiid 31.7 (1st)
You can ignore the purpose of MVP as regular season award and project the play-offs for some reason and speculate Embiid will do better despite that never being the case in any of the previous post-seasons, you can suddenly care about record again now the 76ers are in front again even if you ignored that the rest of the season (not seeding though, that doesn't count unless the 76ers get a better seed than the Nuggets because then it's super important again), you can get into semantics how nobody should ever get a 3rd MVP because some journalists got very tired sometime in the 90s but there is no real statistical case to be made to pick Embiid over Jokic this season (unless of course you have no idea what these stats mean and suddenly become the biggest PER supporter we've seen on this planet).
There is also ESPN RPM which paints Embiid as the best player this season. But yeah all other advanced stats show Jokic more love.
Dutchball97 wrote:I still think Jokic should still win MVP and I'm not sure Embiid has enough time to change my mind even if it's been getting closer recently.
That said I also voted that Embiid will win the award. I don't think he deserves to win the award as it stands now. However, the media is foaming at the mouth to vote for anyone not named Jokic so I guess they'll hand it to Embiid with the recent narrative going haywire.
For context before I get hate for this:
EPM: Jokic +7.9 (1st) vs Embiid +7.4 (2nd)
LEBRON: Jokic +8.35 (1st) vs Embiid +5.1 (4th)
RAPTOR: Jokic +14.2 (1st) vs Embiid +8.1 (3rd)
RAPM: Jokic +4.01 (1st) vs Embiid +2.38 (19th)
BPM: Jokic +12.9 (1st) vs Embiid +9.1 (3rd)
WS/48: Jokic .309 (1st) vs Embiid .264 (3rd)
PER: Jokic 31.5 (2nd) vs Embiid 31.7 (1st)
You can ignore the purpose of MVP as regular season award and project the play-offs for some reason and speculate Embiid will do better despite that never being the case in any of the previous post-seasons, you can suddenly care about record again now the 76ers are in front again even if you ignored that the rest of the season (not seeding though, that doesn't count unless the 76ers get a better seed than the Nuggets because then it's super important again), you can get into semantics how nobody should ever get a 3rd MVP because some journalists got very tired sometime in the 90s but there is no real statistical case to be made to pick Embiid over Jokic this season (unless of course you have no idea what these stats mean and suddenly become the biggest PER supporter we've seen on this planet).
You're the one whose been quiet as a mouse every time Embiid falteredeyeatoma wrote:Really quiet in here, kind of amusing. The moment the advanced stats champ stopped getting them wins, all I hear are crickets....
_NoMas wrote:As someone who’s had Jokic first for most of the year, at this point I’d vote Embiid. There’s no doubt Jokic has dropped off and Embiid is just unstoppable at the minute, and his supporting cast is showing up too.
I hope he wins too, I think it would be a better reflection of the last 3 years between the two elite centres than if Jokic had won all 3.
That said, Giannis is still the best in the world imo
nikster wrote:_NoMas wrote:As someone who’s had Jokic first for most of the year, at this point I’d vote Embiid. There’s no doubt Jokic has dropped off and Embiid is just unstoppable at the minute, and his supporting cast is showing up too.
I hope he wins too, I think it would be a better reflection of the last 3 years between the two elite centres than if Jokic had won all 3.
That said, Giannis is still the best in the world imo
Embiids been on a tear and this losing streak definetly hurts Jokic odds. I feel like if this happened earlier in the season wouldn't have been as big a deal. I'm still happy with either winning, they've been incredible this season
Think Jokics individual "drop off" has been exaggerated tho. 29/12/9 on 68 TS% during this stretch.
CobraCommander wrote:eyeatoma wrote:ken6199 wrote:I don't care who wins, just for entertainment value based on what I see in this thread, I wish Embiid wins for this enthusiastic dude.
I know first hand what it feels like to support a villain. I have no fuss on everyone hating him, yep plenty to hate about, but to me it's a big deal to understate his strength (blah blah blah he stat pads, it's all usage, ball monopoly) just based on your dislikes yet magnify his weakness. Not players are perfect, yet some are treated unfairly with people self-confused with their personal emotion and basketball facts.
Same with Embiid, dude has been one of the most unpopular superstars on this board treated the same like those other villains he goes up against who "play the game the right way", who "can do no wrong", who "you dare to say something bad about them the entire board will pile on you".
Stick one up in their asses, Embiid. **** that hateful ****.
LMAO!
Embiid has a lobbying team that big pharma and the industrial military complex would be proud of !