Page 1 of 9
Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:04 am
by Floody100
I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.
Rant over.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:05 am
by Memories
Westbrook was an expiring contract. So is DLO but Wolves clearly don’t want to pay him, but Lakers will. Jazz just want to tank like Ainge originally planned it. So this was the best way to do it.
Definitely a huge long term move going forward for the Lakers. They went from having almost zero assets, to now a whole bunch again.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:08 am
by Pharmcat
Denagelo is such a shifty player, fun to watch when he’s focused
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:11 am
by Tor_Raps
Lakers got their asses bailed out by the stupidity of the Wolves and Ainge hooking up them up.
Im assuming his departure from the Celtics didn't have smooth because no way should he be hooking the Lakers up like that lol.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:12 am
by payton2kemp
Floody100 wrote:I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.
Rant over.
They made a bad trade for Westbrook and made a great trade to get rid of him. Doesn't look like their was a market for all these players. Raptors wanted to trade FVV but there were no buyers.
It turned out to be a buyers market.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:12 am
by LAvision
It will always makes me laugh that the only GM that managed to finessed Ainge was Pelinka of all people.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:13 am
by BeatDaCavs420
Ainge basically just did them a solid. This is not the first time teams have done this for the Lakers either....Pays to be a top franchise in this league I guess
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:13 am
by Pharmcat
LAvision wrote:It always makes me laugh that the GM that managed to finessed Ainge was Pelinka of all people.
Even a dead clock is right twice a day , take it from my experience
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:13 am
by Ckay
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:20 am
by Liam_Gallagher
Pelinka straight up fleeced Ainge. People were talking for months that getting rid of Westbrook would cost one first round pick alone. Not only did they get rid of him, but they also added those three while giving up a protected first.
The idea that Utah had to trade Vanderbilt is strange to me. He's young, athletic, and an energizer bunny. He'd be the one guy I'd want to keep if I was Ainge.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:24 am
by giberish
The trade looks especially good due to just how crap the Lakers depth has been since the Westbrook trade. Just getting a couple more credible rotation players is a huge upgrade for them.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:26 am
by Memories
Ckay wrote:
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:29 am
by Dr Aki
Let's look at all the moving pieces:
Westbrook - Negative (if you're going to play him), neutral (if you're just trading for his contract and buy him out)
JTA - Neutral (vet min)
Damion Jones - Neutral (vet min)
Conley - Negative value (22.7 mil + 24.4 mil next year (14.3 mil partial guarantee))
NAW - Positive value (rookie scale)
Vanderbilt - Positive value (rookie scale)
Beasley - Neutral to positive value (15.5 mil exp, 16.5 mil team option)
D'Lo - Neutral to positive expiring, TWolves didn't want to pay him though
Lakers and Jazz had the Westbrook for Conley/Vando/Beasley trade agreed for at least a week (prior to the Kyrie trade demand). Westbrook + 2027 FRP (top-4 protected) = Conley, Beasley and Vando. Jazz probably needed warm bodies and got the cheapest non-contributors from the Lakers - JTA and Jones
TWolves wanted to move D'Lo cos they were intent on not paying him - hence trading D'Lo for Conley (who has a good playing relationship with Gobert), but demanding compensation to get the trade through. Hence NAW, 3 SRPs from LA and Utah to the Twolves.
No idea why the Jazz ended up coughing up their SRPs, but I'm guessing due to the Gobert trade, they don't give a **** about SRPs
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:33 am
by Pointgod
Floody100 wrote:I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.
Rant over.
It was the classic Ainge attempt at a pump and dump. Beasley has just been bad as a Lakers there’s no way that guy was worth a first round pick. Vanderbilt is a great energy and hustle guy, but you can find those types for second round picks. It’s just that the Lakers were so devoid of depth that the incoming players make a bigger impact plus, Westbrook was addition by subtraction. Most GMs aren’t complete idiots(except for maybe the Wolves GM) and the market correctly gauged Vanderbilt and Beasleys value. Ainge got the fakest lottery pick ever, but he gets fluffed by the media for getting another asset so it’s all good. I’m still baffled by the trade from the Wolves perspective. I get the fit argument but Conley is a bad contract. The traded Russell for a worst contract, worse individual player without any additional compensation coming back.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:33 am
by meekrab
NBA General Mismanagers don't understand trade value.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:34 am
by levon
Floody100 wrote:I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.
Rant over.
So when they make the bad trade they're atrocious but when they pay to make a good trade with two wasted seasons and one of their only two real assets, they're just being gifted?
They paid the requisite price. Utah banked on the Lakers 27 being more valuable than the other late firsts they might have gotten. And Minny wanted to swap to a more veteran PG and it's worked out for them.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:47 am
by Optms
BeatDaCavs420 wrote:Ainge basically just did them a solid. This is not the first time teams have done this for the Lakers either....Pays to be a top franchise in this league I guess
Ah. The classic consiparcy where its proposed GM's are helping the Lakers despite there being zero incentive to do so. Some people just refuse to give the Lakers credit without it being "cause its LA"
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:59 am
by OriginalRed
Basically, Ainge was more desperate to get off Conley than Rob/Jeanie were to get off Westbrick. Rob saw that and pounced and look where they are now.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:11 am
by GopherIt!
Dr Aki wrote:Let's look at all the moving pieces:
Westbrook - Negative (if you're going to play him), neutral (if you're just trading for his contract and buy him out)
JTA - Neutral (vet min)
Damion Jones - Neutral (vet min)
Conley - Negative value (22.7 mil + 24.4 mil next year (14.3 mil partial guarantee)
NAW - Positive value (rookie scale)
Vanderbilt - Positive value (rookie scale)
Beasley - Neutral to positive value (15.5 mil exp, 16.5 mil team option)
D'Lo - Neutral to positive expiring, TWolves didn't want to pay him though
Lakers and Jazz had the Westbrook for Conley/Vando/Beasley trade agreed for at least a week (prior to the Kyrie trade demand). Westbrook + 2027 FRP (top-4 protected) = Conley, Beasley and Vando. Jazz probably needed warm bodies and got the cheapest non-contributors from the Lakers - JTA and Jones
TWolves wanted to move D'Lo cos they were intent on not paying him - hence trading D'Lo for Conley (who has a good playing relationship with Gobert), but demanding compensation to get the trade through. Hence NAW, 3 SRPs from LA and Utah to the Twolves.
Pointgod wrote:I’m still baffled by the trade from the Wolves perspective. I get the fit argument but Conley is a bad contract. The traded Russell for a worst contract, worse individual player without any additional compensation coming back.
Conley is not a negative, he’s been worth every penny. He is also a better player than dNo will ever be. Plus he’s a true PG.
dNo is not a point guard. he’s a 6th man who thinks he’s a superstar worth a raise from the $30M+ he’s making this szn. If he were to accept that role & salary he would be solid. He’s a bad contract as soon as ink dries on the paper.
The Wolves also maintain the salary slot for a trade next year. I would also take NAW over JV for MN. beasley is trash.
Re: Let’s talk about that Lakers trade
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:13 am
by Dr Aki
GopherIt! wrote:Dr Aki wrote:Let's look at all the moving pieces:
Westbrook - Negative (if you're going to play him), neutral (if you're just trading for his contract and buy him out)
JTA - Neutral (vet min)
Damion Jones - Neutral (vet min)
Conley - Negative value (22.7 mil + 24.4 mil next year (14.3 mil partial guarantee)
NAW - Positive value (rookie scale)
Vanderbilt - Positive value (rookie scale)
Beasley - Neutral to positive value (15.5 mil exp, 16.5 mil team option)
D'Lo - Neutral to positive expiring, TWolves didn't want to pay him though
Lakers and Jazz had the Westbrook for Conley/Vando/Beasley trade agreed for at least a week (prior to the Kyrie trade demand). Westbrook + 2027 FRP (top-4 protected) = Conley, Beasley and Vando. Jazz probably needed warm bodies and got the cheapest non-contributors from the Lakers - JTA and Jones
TWolves wanted to move D'Lo cos they were intent on not paying him - hence trading D'Lo for Conley (who has a good playing relationship with Gobert), but demanding compensation to get the trade through. Hence NAW, 3 SRPs from LA and Utah to the Twolves.
No idea why the Jazz ended up coughing up their SRPs, but I'm guessing due to the Gobert trade, they don't give a **** about SRPs
Conley is not a negative, he is better player than DNo will ever be.
Yeh, I'm not paying Conley (23 and 24 mil) to give me 10/7 at ages 35 and 36.
If Conley was worth so much, why did Minnesota insist (and getting their way) on getting assets to bridge the delta between him and D'Lo?