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and why has harden not made all nba the past 3 years.. collusion to make sure curry finishes with more all nba selections from the only other guard from the 2009 draft. Cant have harden lapping curry in awards. Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out. I always believed the voters never wanted harden to win his 2nd mvp because they didnt want james to been seen in the same light as stephen curry

the past 3 seasons from nba.com's website harden has finished in the top 10 in total effiency and has not made an all nba team, collusion among nba voters to protect the golden one. Me thinks yes

A weird take.

Harden missed too many games in 2021 and it was a very average year for Harden in 2022....Nothing to do with Curry

He'd be respected more if he shaved his beard off I predict.

NBA4Lyfe wrote:Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out.

Harden is 1-4 in Conference Finals and was largely disappointing in the only Finals he played in. The media isn't going to give the nod to advanced stats over a proven generational player in Curry, who has the hardware and performances to back it up.

Even if Harden received a second MVP, Curry would still be considered a tier above Harden despite the direct comparisons on paper.

I swear the OP has like 10 different threads similar to this one...

Homer38 wrote:Harden missed too many games in 2021 and it was a very average year for Harden in 2022....Nothing to do with Curry

harden played in 44 games in 2021

lebron played in 45 games in 2021 and made all-nba 2nd team

once again collusion by the nba voters to make sure curry finishes with more awards than harden, thats all

infinite11285 wrote:

NBA4Lyfe wrote:Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out.

Harden is 1-4 in Conference Finals and was largely disappointing in the only Finals he played in. The media isn't going to give the nod to advanced stats over a proven generational player in Curry, who has the hardware and performances to back it up.

Even if Harden received a second MVP, Curry would still be considered a tier above Harden despite the direct comparisons on paper.

the nba playoffs are defined in the cba as a "bonus tournament".. im strictly talking about the regular season because these all nba, all nba nods are reflected upon regular season play not the playoffs. Harden has been colluded againist to protect curry, harden has finished in the top 10 in basketball reference mvp tracker the past 3 years with no all nba selection to show for it. Something aint adding up

The answer is No.

NBA4Lyfe wrote:

infinite11285 wrote:

NBA4Lyfe wrote:Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out.

Harden is 1-4 in Conference Finals and was largely disappointing in the only Finals he played in. The media isn't going to give the nod to advanced stats over a proven generational player in Curry, who has the hardware and performances to back it up.

Even if Harden received a second MVP, Curry would still be considered a tier above Harden despite the direct comparisons on paper.

the nba playoffs are defined in the cba as a "bonus tournament".. im strictly talking about the regular season because these all nba, all nba nods are reflected upon regular season play not the playoffs. Harden has been colluded againist to protect curry, harden has finished in the top 10 in basketball reference mvp tracker the past 3 years with no all nba selection to show for it. Something aint adding up

I hear you, but it's somewhat unreasonable for voters to completely disregard Harden's failures in the playoffs when considering regular-season awards. I also feel like you're arbitrarily throwing the word collusion around to help cope with reality. There are levels to NBA stardom, and Harden clearly isn't on Curry's level.

Why exactly would NBA voters collude against Harden anyway? What do they get out of it? How is the collusion organized? Who is the chief architect of the collusion?

harden chokes in the playoffs so nobody takes his stats seriously. It's all seen as empty numbers.

Edrees wrote:harden chokes in the playoffs so nobody takes his stats seriously. It's all seen as empty numbers.

then that makes the NBA an illegitimate league lol, playoffs have no bearing on the regular season end of season awards, if it did luka wouldnt make all nba this year like harden didnt in 2016 lol

thats like ignoring the great shohei ohtani in baseball because his team finishes with the worst record in baseball every year. The nba is pathetic having to protect stephen curry like this

NBA4Lyfe wrote:

Edrees wrote:harden chokes in the playoffs so nobody takes his stats seriously. It's all seen as empty numbers.

then that makes the NBA an illegitimate league lol, playoffs have no bearing on the regular season end of season awards, if it did luka wouldnt make all nba this year like harden didnt in 2016 lol

thats like ignoring the great shohei ohtani in baseball because his team finishes with the worst record in baseball every year. The nba is pathetic having to protect stephen curry like this

Yep, the NBA's illegitimate. So, I don't expect you to be around here anymore since we've come to the conclusion here. Unless of course you don't have any problems being a fan of an illegitimate league.

LIke it or not, voters are influenced by what they see in the playoffs. Kyrie Irving gets alot of respect for his finals shot. Had that never happened, league perception of him as a player would be very very different. You can't mind control people. Their opinion of someone will have a lot of influences from lots of reasons. If they see James Harden choke a playoff series, their psychology would force them to be more critical of james harden in future dates, even if they don't mean to do it. I'm not talking about "Oh, lets compare hardens playoffs stats to see if he deserves all NBA" or something direct like that. I'm talking that when they see James Harden's stats, they will just naturally view it from a more critical angle, even if they aren't actually thinking directly of the playoffs.

If you dont like it, and think that makes the league illegitimate, then that's tough on you. Either choose to be a fan of a illegitimate league or do something else with your time. But I guarantee you in an alternate world where James Harden never choked a playoff series and instead won a championship or two, he would have more all NBA selections. As much as you want the All NBA selections to be a purely regular season award, psychology of human beings make it an award that has playoff performance influence baked into it, even if it's not purposeful.

That's the answer, and it has nothing to do with the league protecting steph curry or some crazy conspiracy.

Curry's defense looks Gary Payton level when compared to Harden's...

no

His playoff woes have nothing to do with. He just hasn't been that good since he last made the team in 2020.

2021 > He completely torpedoed that Houston team prior to getting traded to the Nets. Then he got injured and missed like 20 games in a shortened season. He wasn't better than Steph, Luka, Dame, CP3, Beal or Irving either.

2022 > Once again he was terrible in his final stretch of games in Brooklyn and was still inefficient once he got to Philly.
Booker, Luka, Steph, Ja, CP3, and Trae were all better.

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NBA4Lyfe wrote:and why has harden not made all nba the past 3 years.. collusion to make sure curry finishes with more all nba selections from the only other guard from the 2009 draft. Cant have harden lapping curry in awards. Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out. I always believed the voters never wanted harden to win his 2nd mvp because they didnt want james to been seen in the same light as stephen curry

the past 3 seasons from nba.com's website harden has finished in the top 10 in total effiency and has not made an all nba team, collusion among nba voters to protect the golden one. Me thinks yes

you listed all box scores and we all know Harden is a monster filling out stat sheet.. but what about any impact stat like plus minus? RAPM, RPM, EPM...has Harden come ahead ? i could not find it...so empty stat is true

Karate Diop wrote:Curry's defense looks Gary Payton level when compared to Harden's...

Quite the opposite

Harden is the most disrespected and underrated player in NBA history.

cpower wrote:

NBA4Lyfe wrote:and why has harden not made all nba the past 3 years.. collusion to make sure curry finishes with more all nba selections from the only other guard from the 2009 draft. Cant have harden lapping curry in awards. Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out. I always believed the voters never wanted harden to win his 2nd mvp because they didnt want james to been seen in the same light as stephen curry

the past 3 seasons from nba.com's website harden has finished in the top 10 in total effiency and has not made an all nba team, collusion among nba voters to protect the golden one. Me thinks yes

you listed all box scores and we all know Harden is a monster filling out stat sheet.. but what about any impact stat like plus minus? RAPM, RPM, EPM...has Harden come ahead ? i could not find it...so empty stat is true

you mean the stats that are random have no formula and that anybody can put together, ill stick with the tride and true advanced stats that have been used since the 80's