Lakers should go all in on kyrie and give lebron one last shot at a ring

[Mr B]

Sign and trade Russell for Irving

Mavs don’t want Russell.

If Irving leaves Mavs would rather have nothing.???

They would have $30M in cap space and Russell is not the player they would target. They would likely immediately target Rui and Vanderbilt after he’s released by the Lakers.

[Mr B]

If Irving leaves Mavs would rather have nothing.???

What is people's obsession with trading players that have their own "this player really sucks" thread on RealGM to the Mavs for players that actually have value. First Ayton and now this.

You are forgetting the premise that Irving might want to leave the smaller market non playoff Mavs.

You think Dallas is a small market?

[DreamTeam09]

If Irving leaves Mavs would rather have nothing.???

What is people's obsession with trading players that have their own "this player really sucks" thread on RealGM to the Mavs for players that actually have value. First Ayton and now this.

You are forgetting the premise that Irving might want to leave the smaller market non playoff Mavs.

He still needs a team with capspace to offer him a deal, the lakers won't have any less they renounce everyone and hope Austin doesn't accept an offer sheet. Dallas would rather let kyrie walk and pivot to FVV or CP3 rather than Dlo on a SnT

So Kyrie Austin Lebron Davis + a bunch of vet min contracts

or

Reeves/Rui/Lebron/AD + flexibility to SnT Dlo / Flexibility to trade Beasley & Vandibelt / Flexibility to use the MLE or the BAE

[nbafan38]

Superteams with star players 30+ have generally not worked that well. The lakers would be throwing away their future for one basically a 1 year window if they maxed Kyrie.

[durden_tyler]

Yes, the Lakers need more drama. (Never learned from the Westbrook move if they do this)

[Warriorfan]

Mavs don’t want Russell.

If Irving leaves Mavs would rather have nothing.???

They would have $30M in cap space and Russell is not the player they would target. They would likely immediately target Rui and Vanderbilt after he’s released by the Lakers.

Feel free to name the top free agents signed by Dallas.
So they release the wood, powell and bullock partially ung

[sp6r=underrated]

Their defense would crater and Kyrie would probably leave the team mid-season to go on a Flat Earth discovery tour

Did we not just get irrefutable proof from the Russ experiment that LBJ+AD needs good depth and role players surrounding it, not an overpaid 3rd star?

Kyrie would torpedo any hope the Lakers have of contending. Rui+Reaves+Walker+Vando > Kyrie and 3 vet mins

Kyrie and Westbrook are nothing alike. Kyrie has shown he can play off the ball and if these playoffs are an indication of anything moving forward it’s that Lebron is okay taking a backseat and letting other guys take over.

Kyrie has also shown he might play in and give a real effort in upwards 50% of games played in a season! The Lakers need inning eaters almost, if not more, than another scorer who is going to load manage half the season.

This is my take. The shot was 7 seasons ago. Kyrie has played on talented teams all of those years and there is little evidence he had this monster impact his fans think in the years he actually played. And in other seasons he was outright harmful.

His rep far outweighs his on court play.

[nbafan38]

Kyrie and Westbrook are nothing alike. Kyrie has shown he can play off the ball and if these playoffs are an indication of anything moving forward it’s that Lebron is okay taking a backseat and letting other guys take over.

Kyrie has also shown he might play in and give a real effort in upwards 50% of games played in a season! The Lakers need inning eaters almost, if not more, than another scorer who is going to load manage half the season.

This is my take. The shot was 7 seasons ago. Kyrie has played on talented teams all of those years and there is little evidence he had this monster impact his fans think in the years he actually played. And in other seasons he was outright harmful.

His rep far outweighs his on court play.

Yep, he played one great series in the finals playing alongside prime Lebron James who was the absolute best teammate to play with. What has he won anywhere else and how does a team with Luka and Irving not even make a play in game?

[sp6r=underrated]

Kyrie has also shown he might play in and give a real effort in upwards 50% of games played in a season! The Lakers need inning eaters almost, if not more, than another scorer who is going to load manage half the season.

This is my take. The shot was 7 seasons ago. Kyrie has played on talented teams all of those years and there is little evidence he had this monster impact his fans think in the years he actually played. And in other seasons he was outright harmful.

His rep far outweighs his on court play.

Yep, he played one great series in the finals playing alongside prime Lebron James who was the absolute best teammate to play with. What has he won anywhere else and how does a team with Luka and Irving not even make a play in game?

A few things come into play with Kyrie:
1. His talents are all concentrated in the things fans overvalue. His weaknesses are concentrated in the areas fans tend to undervalue.
2. He had a historic moment that still influences how people see him.
3. He's played with talented players almost his entire career given him the opportunity to play in a ton of playoff games.

All of the above would cause him to be overvalued. When you factor in his utter lack of professionalism you have a player that will get really overvalued.

[Mr B]

If Irving leaves Mavs would rather have nothing.???

They would have $30M in cap space and Russell is not the player they would target. They would likely immediately target Rui and Vanderbilt after he’s released by the Lakers.

Feel free to name the top free agents signed by Dallas.
So the release the wood, powell and bullock partially ungt?

That isn’t what you said and that isn’t what I asked. You think Dallas is a small market?

[Scoundreldays]

I don't think it's a good idea, letting Rui and Reaves walk means you are giving up height, defense, depth and age for a little more offense. Sounds like a better version of the 2022 Lakers

[Cavsfansince84]

I will say I am surprised by how many people are acting like Kyrie would be some kind of death sentence on the Lakers if he joined them. If there's one guy in the league who Kyrie respects and would be ok playing next to its Bron. They already made it work for 3 years and Kyrie has said numerous times how he's at fault for how he left.

[Warriorfan]

AD can dominate on defense but in the playoffs you need a player to score when the opposing team is scheming. Lebron while playing at a high level cant do it for an entire game or series.

Irving with his craziness will be the cheapest one available

[Mr B]

AD can dominate on defense but in the playoffs you need a player to score when the opposing team is scheming. Lebron while playing at a high level cant do it for an entire game or series.

Irving with his craziness will be the cheapest one available

You think AD+17th pick AND having to max Kyrie out is cheap?

[Jazz9]

Yeah they should trade their young guys and depth for a superstar that's been bouncing from team to team the last years.
Reminds me of something...

[Warriorfan]

AD can dominate on defense but in the playoffs you need a player to score when the opposing team is scheming. Lebron while playing at a high level cant do it for an entire game or series.

Irving with his craziness will be the cheapest one available

You think AD+17th pick AND having to max Kyrie out is cheap?

You don't know what Irving will be paid or if he will take less to play in LA .

[Mr B]

AD can dominate on defense but in the playoffs you need a player to score when the opposing team is scheming. Lebron while playing at a high level cant do it for an entire game or series.

Irving with his craziness will be the cheapest one available

You think AD+17th pick AND having to max Kyrie out is cheap?

You don't know what Irving will be paid or if he will take less to play in LA .

Neither do you

[nbafan38]

I will say I am surprised by how many people are acting like Kyrie would be some kind of death sentence on the Lakers if he joined them. If there's one guy in the league who Kyrie respects and would be ok playing next to its Bron. They already made it work for 3 years and Kyrie has said numerous times how he's at fault for how he left.

I actually think for one year it could work but what happens when Lebron retires? The lakers are stuck with maxed Kyrie and maxed AD as the keys to the franchise?

[Cavsfansince84]

I actually think for one year it could work but what happens when Lebron retires? The lakers are stuck with maxed Kyrie and maxed AD as the keys to the franchise?

Its definitely rolling the dice in the long term. More so with LeBron threatening retirement or or to go wherever Bronny might go. Probably not worth it with that uncertainty but I do think for the year or two they are together they could make it work.

[Edrees]

Lakers would be 13th seed if they gave up their depth for kyrie

I will say I am surprised by how many people are acting like Kyrie would be some kind of death sentence on the Lakers if he joined them. If there's one guy in the league who Kyrie respects and would be ok playing next to its Bron. They already made it work for 3 years and Kyrie has said numerous times how he's at fault for how he left.

If Kyrie was a free agent, lakers were under the cap and can just sign him without losing anyone yeah that'd be freakin awesome. But lakers have to give up their best defensive players and key role players with length and rebounding abilty to get Kyrie and would be a trash team overall.