How many titles does Lebron have simply staying with the Heat?

[zimpy27]

5 is very possible.

[fanofthegreats]

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

Imagine legitimately thinking those Cleveland teams were built well around him, lol. And nobody wanted to go there because it is ****ing Cleveland.

You mean those same Cleveland teams built around LeBron which led the entire league in wins during his last 2 years there? And btw they couldn’t get star players because LeBron refused to commit long term

They couldn't get star players because they were Cleveland and they made some pretty short-sighted cap decisions.

Those teams were.only "good" because of LeBron...

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

Is this a serious take? They won all those games They had a GOAT tier plaster at the zenith of his athletic prowess. Lmao@ they would be great with another all star player.

[JonFromVA]

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

Imagine legitimately thinking those Cleveland teams were built well around him, lol. And nobody wanted to go there because it is ****ing Cleveland.

They couldn't get star players because they were Cleveland and they made some pretty short-sighted cap decisions.

Those teams were.only "good" because of LeBron...

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

Yes they were great with the entire offense running through one of the most heliocentric offenses I’ve ever seen in my life. One man army with guys spotting up in the corner. With Mr. Potato Head Mike Brown not knowing what an actual play is. I agree that’s what LeBron needs, 3+D from scrubs. At the minimum. The bare minimum for his ball dominant play to work. That’s how much he carried these bums to finals they had no business being in. You don’t think a prime Shaq or the most elite 3&D player Klay (one of the greatest shooters of all time) could’ve helped him out? Or a dpoy (dray)? Or the second best player after you (KD)? Or a two-way winner like Pippen? Anyone to give him some rest with the entire offense falling apart when he’s out on the bench? Regular season standings are not indicators for playoff or championship success to the 100%. Come playoffs, you need a robin at the very least and he was never given one during the entirety of his first stint in Cleveland. End of story. I do agree that the Varejao injury put the last nail in the coffin w Antawn and Mo lagging in the following yr. But they don’t compare to other construct-around-1 superstar rosters like the mavs for example. Not even close.

Kidd, Marion, Dpoy Chandler, Caron Butler, Jet, Barea, Stevenson, Peja >>> Mo, Ant, Delonte, Z, Varejao, A. Parker, Gibson, 37 yr Shaq.

And you fault him for not wanting to stay and rot in Cleveland?

Also, about Amar’e:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/399655-amare-stoudemire-the-one-that-got-away-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers.amp.html

What you’re claiming are just rumors, which are rampant before free agency. The cavs were the ones to decline the trade because they wanted to keep Hickson. Please read that article, it highlights exactly everything I’ve said above, about the incompetency that LeBron walked away from.

Bleacher report has the scoop?

Please, you guys are both wrong.

Robert Sarver backed out of the Amare trade. The Cavs offer was better than losing Stoudemire for nothing in free-agency, but once the trade started to leak and the blowback started to steamroll - he decided the negative press would be worse.

JJ Hickson was literally drafted to be traded in a deal like that - they hoped to create some sizzle reel from the kid dunking feeds from James. Dude was playing in China at the age of 28 when he should have been in his physical prime.

The real question is who leaked the trade and were they hoping it would squash the deal?

[fanofthegreats]

If it helps you Bron fans butthurt, I never wanted him in the first place.

Or maybe that angers you even more. That a good portion of our fanbase never **** with him (just like they don't **** with him in LA) while you root for teams that you beg and plead and no matter what will never have a star lol.

After him being there four years, wouldn't you think Riley would've listened to the Heat fans dislike and hoped LeBron optioned out like he did? Instead, Riley challenged him to opt in by asking "if he has the guts?"

Five straight years of not being able to root for and/or celebrate another title by your team wouldn't have been cool with you.

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.

Please stop the self righteous talk another what real fans should be. This is an entertainment, and people can root for a fan or team or whatever reason they like watching basketball.

And yeah lol@ not wanting LeBron. He’s literally the reason your team has multiple championships to show for.

[Prince187]

19-63 the very next year. He wasted 7 years without a legit 2nd fiddle because it’s the Cleveland Cavaliers with one of the worst run front offices at the time, starting with the owner and down. No FA was going there and it most definitely was not because of commitment issues until it was too late and clear the very best they can offer was a 37 yr old Shaq. Where are you reading this other non-sense from honestly or is it an agenda?

Imagine legitimately thinking those Cleveland teams were built well around him, lol. And nobody wanted to go there because it is ****ing Cleveland.

They couldn't get star players because they were Cleveland and they made some pretty short-sighted cap decisions.

Those teams were.only "good" because of LeBron...

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

Is this a serious take? They won all those games They had a GOAT tier plaster at the zenith of his athletic prowess. Lmao@ they would be great with another all star player.

What exactly are you trying to say here?

[fanofthegreats]

Those Cleveland weren’t just good, they were great. Which is why they had the best record in the league for LeBron’s last 2 years there and were championship favorites. They were great defensively and 3 point shooting. Which is exactly what LeBron needs. That roster was built around him. And like I said before the only reason they weren’t able to get another star player is because LeBron refused to say if he was staying in Cleveland long term. That’s why the deal for prime Amare didn’t go through. He asked LeBron if he was staying and LeBron wouldn’t tell him. And the reasons for their bad record after LeBron left were 1) injuries and 2) because you took out a big piece of the puzzle and didn’t replace him. That team would have been great without injuries and if you replaced LeBron with an all star small forward or shooting guard

Is this a serious take? They won all those games They had a GOAT tier plaster at the zenith of his athletic prowess. Lmao@ they would be great with another all star player.

What exactly are you trying to say here?

LeBron was literally the only reason that team was “great”. They fell off and became the worst team in the league after he left because the team lacked Any semblance of talent, not because they lost a “key piece”. No other all star SF, as you put it, would come in and replicate anything remotely close what LeBron did with that team, except for maybe prime Michael Jordan.

[RHODEY]

Bron left the Heat to do what nobody else has ever done before.

Mans wanted to bring a cod jam 'Chip to his hometown 'chise. And dude succeeded. He brought that shiny to The Land.

Can't ever take that away from him.

Have some RESPEK bro.

He left the heat because he saw wade was getting too old to carry him. Once he found another team to hop to with enough talent he dipped.

[fanofthegreats]

Bron left the Heat to do what nobody else has ever done before.

Mans wanted to bring a cod jam 'Chip to his hometown 'chise. And dude succeeded. He brought that shiny to The Land.

Can't ever take that away from him.

Have some RESPEK bro.

He left the heat because he saw wade was getting too old to carry him. Once he found another team to hop to with enough talent he dipped.

Lol@ wade carrying LeBron. You sound like a clown.

[payton2kemp]

If it helps you Bron fans butthurt, I never wanted him in the first place.

Or maybe that angers you even more. That a good portion of our fanbase never **** with him (just like they don't **** with him in LA) while you root for teams that you beg and plead and no matter what will never have a star lol.

After him being there four years, wouldn't you think Riley would've listened to the Heat fans dislike and hoped LeBron optioned out like he did? Instead, Riley challenged him to opt in by asking "if he has the guts?"

Five straight years of not being able to root for and/or celebrate another title by your team wouldn't have been cool with you.

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.

lol dude youre the only one who comes off as and emotional cyring fan who hates Lebron. Looks like you created your account the summer he left because you were probably very hurt and came here to hate on him.

[Prince187]

Is this a serious take? They won all those games They had a GOAT tier plaster at the zenith of his athletic prowess. Lmao@ they would be great with another all star player.

What exactly are you trying to say here?

LeBron was literally the only reason that team was “great”. They fell off and became the worst team in the league after he left because the team lacked Any semblance of talent, not because they lost a “key piece”. No other all star SF, as you put it, would come in and replicate anything remotely close what LeBron did with that team, except for maybe prime Michael Jordan.

Maybe great was the wrong word to use. But if you took LeBron off of that 66 win Cavs team and replaced him with an all star SF do you really think they would turn into a 19 win team? Of course not. They wouldn’t be championship contenders but they’re still easily a playoff team. They were ranked 2nd in defense and 3 point shooting.

[Shewasfly]

After him being there four years, wouldn't you think Riley would've listened to the Heat fans dislike and hoped LeBron optioned out like he did? Instead, Riley challenged him to opt in by asking "if he has the guts?"

Five straight years of not being able to root for and/or celebrate another title by your team wouldn't have been cool with you.

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.

Please stop the self righteous talk another what real fans should be. This is an entertainment, and people can root for a fan or team or whatever reason they like watching basketball.

And yeah lol@ not wanting LeBron. He’s literally the reason your team has multiple championships to show for.

No that would be Dwyane Wade, if I have to go by player fan logic and attribute championships to one player.

And if we have to deal with LeBron stans who have singlehandedly ruined basketball discourse for generations to come with the obsessive need to crap on anybody and everything to prop him up, you can deal with hearing the truth about how the rest of us look at your type of "fanhood".

[Shewasfly]

After him being there four years, wouldn't you think Riley would've listened to the Heat fans dislike and hoped LeBron optioned out like he did? Instead, Riley challenged him to opt in by asking "if he has the guts?"

Five straight years of not being able to root for and/or celebrate another title by your team wouldn't have been cool with you.

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.

lol dude youre the only one who comes off as and emotional cyring fan who hates Lebron. Looks like you created your account the summer he left because you were probably very hurt and came here to hate on him.

Nope. Again, I get that this is a difficult concept for player fans, but I root for a TEAM. LeBron has nothing to do with my fandom of a team, the way it does for you. The fact that you even know the exact summer he left off the top of your head is wild. Even I didn't remember that lol

[Shewasfly]

What exactly are you trying to say here?

LeBron was literally the only reason that team was “great”. They fell off and became the worst team in the league after he left because the team lacked Any semblance of talent, not because they lost a “key piece”. No other all star SF, as you put it, would come in and replicate anything remotely close what LeBron did with that team, except for maybe prime Michael Jordan.

Maybe great was the wrong word to use. But if you took LeBron off of that 66 win Cavs team and replaced him with an all star SF do you really think they would turn into a 19 win team? Of course not. They wouldn’t be championship contenders but they’re still easily a playoff team. They were ranked 2nd in defense and 3 point shooting.

They would still be championship contenders in the east at that time actually.

[Karate Diop]

LeBron was literally the only reason that team was “great”. They fell off and became the worst team in the league after he left because the team lacked Any semblance of talent, not because they lost a “key piece”. No other all star SF, as you put it, would come in and replicate anything remotely close what LeBron did with that team, except for maybe prime Michael Jordan.

Maybe great was the wrong word to use. But if you took LeBron off of that 66 win Cavs team and replaced him with an all star SF do you really think they would turn into a 19 win team? Of course not. They wouldn’t be championship contenders but they’re still easily a playoff team. They were ranked 2nd in defense and 3 point shooting.

They would still be championship contenders in the east at that time actually.

Which all-star small forward at that time could you swap LeBron for and still have a championship contender?

Let's see the names.

[Prince187]

Maybe great was the wrong word to use. But if you took LeBron off of that 66 win Cavs team and replaced him with an all star SF do you really think they would turn into a 19 win team? Of course not. They wouldn’t be championship contenders but they’re still easily a playoff team. They were ranked 2nd in defense and 3 point shooting.

They would still be championship contenders in the east at that time actually.

Which all-star small forward at that time could you swap LeBron for and still have a championship contender?

Let's see the names.

I’m not gonna keep going back and forth with you. The stats about those teams speak for themselves. But here’s one name for you. Joe Johnson. Replace him with LeBron on that team and they win 50 games at the least

Edit: oops I didn’t see that you quoted someone else and not me

[Taj FTW]

LeBron was literally the only reason that team was “great”. They fell off and became the worst team in the league after he left because the team lacked Any semblance of talent, not because they lost a “key piece”. No other all star SF, as you put it, would come in and replicate anything remotely close what LeBron did with that team, except for maybe prime Michael Jordan.

Maybe great was the wrong word to use. But if you took LeBron off of that 66 win Cavs team and replaced him with an all star SF do you really think they would turn into a 19 win team? Of course not. They wouldn’t be championship contenders but they’re still easily a playoff team. They were ranked 2nd in defense and 3 point shooting.

They would still be championship contenders in the east at that time actually.

Lol this has to be trolling

[payton2kemp]

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.

lol dude youre the only one who comes off as and emotional cyring fan who hates Lebron. Looks like you created your account the summer he left because you were probably very hurt and came here to hate on him.

Nope. Again, I get that this is a difficult concept for player fans, but I root for a TEAM. LeBron has nothing to do with my fandom of a team, the way it does for you. The fact that you even know the exact summer he left off the top of your head is wild. Even I didn't remember that lol

Like I said I don't care about Lebron but you sound very butt hurt about Lebron.

The Cavs went to the finals in 2014-2015 season its really not that complicated to figure out he left in 2014 lol. You must be slow.

Warned for personal attack.

[fanofthegreats]

I know you're very emotional right now, but that's not the way any of this works. (Good) Presidents of an org don't take fan requests. Also--and again I know this is very difficult for LeBron fans because you only watch the sport for him--but there is a concept of team (Its that thing you guys blame whenever LeBron fails).
You can root for a team, and not like every player on that team.

Please stop the self righteous talk another what real fans should be. This is an entertainment, and people can root for a fan or team or whatever reason they like watching basketball.

And yeah lol@ not wanting LeBron. He’s literally the reason your team has multiple championships to show for.

No that would be Dwyane Wade, if I have to go by player fan logic and attribute championships to one player.

And if we have to deal with LeBron stans who have singlehandedly ruined basketball discourse for generations to come with the obsessive need to crap on anybody and everything to prop him up, you can deal with hearing the truth about how the rest of us look at your type of "fanhood".

Yeah Dwayne Wade. The guy who couldn’t have more than a handful of healthy seasons vs a guy in his prime who was clean sweeping MVP finals mvp award. You sound delusional.

[Shewasfly]

Please stop the self righteous talk another what real fans should be. This is an entertainment, and people can root for a fan or team or whatever reason they like watching basketball.

And yeah lol@ not wanting LeBron. He’s literally the reason your team has multiple championships to show for.

No that would be Dwyane Wade, if I have to go by player fan logic and attribute championships to one player.

And if we have to deal with LeBron stans who have singlehandedly ruined basketball discourse for generations to come with the obsessive need to crap on anybody and everything to prop him up, you can deal with hearing the truth about how the rest of us look at your type of "fanhood".

Yeah Dwayne Wade. The guy who couldn’t have more than a handful of healthy seasons vs a guy in his prime who was clean sweeping MVP finals mvp award. You sound delusional.

Yes Dwyane Wade. The player who was the biggest part of all 3 of my team's championships.

You sound upset. What team do you root for? Do you have one that you root for, and won't change if one player decides to leave? Is that what all this anger is about for you? lmao

[NCHeels2008]

The Heat were exhausted of assets at that point. Bosh and Wade were toast. Him leaving led to them drafting Bam and then later acquiring Jimmy.

He should've stayed in Cleveland in 2018. Cavs had the Brooklyn pick plus all their future picks (and some extra picks they turned into Lauri and Allen). They at least had assets to bring in supporting players. Once they got word in 2017 he would be leaving then Kyrie asked out. Cavs were more interested in keeping a future asset like the Brooklyn pick for a rebuild because they knew Lebron would be gone in 2018.

LeBron would've bullied them into using those assets for Westbrick or Wall