Can Will Hardy 'fix' Collin Sexton?

Post #1 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:18 pm

So, Collin Sexton has always been something of an empty stats player.

He was just that in Utah last season. Despite immaculate shooting numbers he just didn't seem to help the team win much.

Often I would see Hardy barking at Sexton when he would come out of a game. Hardy barks a lot, I wonder if that's going to work for him. Sexton for his part seemed to engage with the message behind the barking and apparently, from my eyes, wanting to soak up the advice and improve

But, maybe he just doesn't have the mentality to transition to an impactful player? He certainly has the athleticism, boasting a lightning quick first step, and the skill as his shooting numbers will attest.

But will he ever learn to make those around him better??

I think this will be a make or break season for him in Utah.

iLLmatic860 · Post #2 » by **iLLmatic860** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:22 pm

he is who he is

NUMBERICA · Post #3 » by **NUMBERICA** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:31 pm

When you produce at a high rate and do it efficiently, it's not empty stats.

Sexton was very good last year. I think the issue is less setting others up than it is that he's small, but of course it would be great if he racked up more assists.

Upperclass · Post #4 » by **Upperclass** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:32 pm

He's a microwave 6th/7th man like a Rozier.. not much more but still a valuable role. Not much to get through to

UcanUwill · Post #5 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:35 pm

when I think of Collin, I always remember Dion Waiters, what the hell happened to that guy?

SomeBunghole · Post #6 » by **SomeBunghole** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:48 pm

I don't think he needs fixing at all. He's not going to be a primary ballhandler for the Jazz and he's not going to be the guy who creates things for others. I think the Jazz plan is to have him provide quick scoring and break down tough defenses, as a starter or off the bench. Part of this is using him to ensure no matter which particular five is out on the floor, the Jazz can score.

I think the facilitator/primary-ball-handler/possibly-an-actual-PG is going to come to SLC in the next two seasons through a trade of all those FRPs Minny and Cleveland gave us.

PurpleGreenGold · Post #7 » by **PurpleGreenGold** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 9:58 pm

I also disagree with your premise. I thought Sexton was impactful nearly every time he played. He was clutch and efficient, now let’s just increase his games played next season. Jazz need to let Clarkson go and let Colin play that 6th man spot.

JujitsuFlip · Post #8 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 11:34 pm

UcanUwill wrote:when I think of Collin, I always remember Dion Waiters, what the hell happened to that guy?

Couldn't handle his marijuana, won a championship, retired lol

I actually have his autograph somewhere around here.

JujitsuFlip · Post #9 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 11:44 pm

Sexton is a flat out gym rat but his stature and play style leave a lot to be desired.

Good he finally had an efficient shooting season, even though it was his lowest volume to date too.

Since he's not a plus defender or a facilitator, being 6'1" 190 lbs makes putting him in any line-up difficult. If his efficiency stays, with more volume or a larger role, then maybe he can be that spark plug scorer a few have alluded to here, time will tell.

dautjazz · Post #10 » by **dautjazz** » Sat Jun 3, 2023 2:12 am

He wasn't an empty stats player. He was very efficient, and mind you, he's bouncing back still from a major injury and playing in a new system.

NUMBERICA · Post #11 » by **NUMBERICA** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:17 pm

Let’s put it this way, if the Jazz thought he wasn’t a positive impact on winning, they wouldn’t have parked his ass in their last ditch scramble to tank.

KodiakBear · Post #12 » by **KodiakBear** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:19 pm

Sexton just needs to be able to stay on the court. Last two years have been bad in that way, but if he can actually play he will be a great piece.

Jadoogar · Post #13 » by **Jadoogar** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:24 pm

Upperclass wrote:He's a microwave 6th/7th man like a Rozier.. not much more but still a valuable role. Not much to get through to

I'm not comparing to these guys because i don't think he's as good but Devin Booker and D'aaron fox were considered empty stats players early in their careers too. Now those guys are better players but it's not like Sexton didn't have potential at some point too (he was drafted 8th). I think Sexton can be a very good 6th man or good 5th starter in the right situation.

meekrab · Post #14 » by **meekrab** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:27 pm

Not so much empty stats as atrocious defense.

Post #15 » by **cupcakesnake** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:35 pm

Sexton profiles as a resilient scoring specialist. The ideal situation for him is a team that has a lot of defense and passing but would like to upgrade their scoring pressure.

He's not versatile, he's not a good defender, and he doesn't play-make much. That puts a big cap on his value but doesn't make his scoring numbers "empty stats". Utah was a scoring machine this year that lacked defense (outside of Kessler) and playmaking (especially once Conley left. Sexton being a pure scorer was not very valuable on a team that already had Markannen, Clarkson, THT, and half a season of Beasley. There's just a lot of redundancy on that roster of good scorers who don't make plays for others.

Put Sexton on the Raptors, Bucks, Heat, Lakers, or Nets... and I can picture him having lots of games where his tough scoring becomes celebrated and is contributing to a winning environment. Or keep in on Utah with Markannen, but bring in more passing and defense next to them.

(he had a hell of a year from floater range btw)

CallMeKahn · Post #16 » by **CallMeKahn** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:43 pm

NUMBERICA wrote:When you produce at a high rate and do it efficiently, it's not empty stats.

Sexton was very good last year. I think the issue is less setting others up than it is that he's small, but of course it would be great if he racked up more assists.

Agree with this. Efficiency is not empty.

Johnny Bball · Post #17 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:53 pm

He's a scorer that plays little to no defense, has no motor and does little else. It's been his problem since day one and why he get yelled at and came off the bench. I dont think you can change those. Some people only see his offense and think he's a good player.

OneLifeLoveKing · Post #18 » by **OneLifeLoveKing** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 6:18 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:He's a scorer that plays little to no defense, has no motor and does little else. It's been his problem since day one and why he get yelled at and came off the bench. I dont think you can change those. Some people only see his offense and think he's a good player.

has no motor? lol I don't think you've seen Collin play. Motor is the one thing he has plenty of...

Johnny Bball · Post #19 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 6:56 pm

OneLifeLoveKing wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:He's a scorer that plays little to no defense, has no motor and does little else. It's been his problem since day one and why he get yelled at and came off the bench. I dont think you can change those. Some people only see his offense and think he's a good player.

has no motor? lol I don't think you've seen Collin play. Motor is the one thing he has plenty of...

I guess we define the word motor very differently.

WillyJakkz · Post #20 » by **WillyJakkz** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:04 pm

NUMBERICA wrote:Let’s put it this way, if the Jazz thought he wasn’t a positive impact on winning, they wouldn’t have parked his ass in their last ditch scramble to tank.

Speaking of which I never understood that assignment.

Was it to play hard and increase player value but things went haywire and they dare started winning?

Because as soon as Lauri started playing well and Walker showed he could replace Gobert I'd have went Tonya Harding on Lauri sans pipe and traded Clarkson for expiring and a very late 1st or 2nd or $24k Beyonce tickets for family or a fan giveaway or something.