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Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:34 am
by mdonnelly1989
Also answer these questions....

How close on end to end speed?

Who jumped higher and how close?

Who was had quicker lateral ability?

Strength?

Body movement...

Explosiveness both the first step and in terms of dunking explosiveness.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:48 am
by My Main Man
I went with Rose but Westbrook was just a lot stronger so he seemed more imposing. He also had the athleticism a lot longer so it’s easier to think back on. Very close though.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:50 am
by ChiTownHero1992
I'm curious the overall opinion here...i'm bias and will always choose Rose but I understand others that choose Westbrook so i'm more just wanting to see the opinions now

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:51 am
by Dez
Speed - Rose
Strength - Westbrook

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:04 am
by realball
Westbrook was stronger and probably faster end to end, but Rose was more athletic. He had better body control, he could make plays in the air, like Jordan.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:14 am
by SOdisciple
Still to this day I have never seen someone else who moved like prime DRose. The amount of torque and change of direction speed was almost alien-like. It's a shame he got injured because I can only imagine the amount of highlights we got robbed of.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:31 am
by picc
Rose was faster, Westbrook was overall more athletic. There is nothing I can't imagine prime Westbrook doing athletically.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:36 am
by BobbyPortisEyes
Westbrook is obviously stronger and probably a little faster going full speed. But Derrick Rose had Iversonesque fluidity and ability to change direction in addition to being able to jump out of the gym. I gotta go with D-Rose, amazing athlete but also an amazingly rare breed of athlete.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:10 am
by pr0wler
Westbrook faster/stronger, D-Rose better balance and body control.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:13 am
by RRR3
This is obviously Westbrook. Ask yourself this: would they have been close as players if Westbrook had Rose's bball IQ? No, Westbrook might have been the GOAT PG if that was the case.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:23 am
by DCasey91
I have Westbrook by a clear distance. No slight on Rose amazingly explosive but Westbrook to me is the most transferable athlete of all time.

He’s not just explosive but bigger/longer, he’s basically a perfect build for any sport. Both dealt with injuries but guys Westbrook is above all else.

Massive feet, 6”3 solid frame with wide shoulders, great running gait, incredible motor (that is not something you can just pick up) ideal for swimming, athletics, any fighting discipline and ball sports. Dude would walk into any environment that deals with this and thrive I do think he’s the superior athletic specimen.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:25 am
by azcatz11
DCasey91 wrote:I have Westbrook by a clear distance. No slight on Rose amazingly explosive but Westbrook to me is the most transferable athlete of all time.

He’s not just explosive but bigger/longer, he’s basically a perfect build for any sport. Both dealt with injuries but guys Westbrook is above all else.

Massive feet, 6”3 solid frame with wide shoulders, great running gait, ideal for swimming, athletics, any fighting discipline and ball sports. Dude would walk into any environment that deals with this and thrive I do think he’s the superior athletic specimen.


He would be an amazing tennis player.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:25 am
by DCasey91
picc wrote:Rose was faster, Westbrook was overall more athletic. There is nothing I can't imagine prime Westbrook doing athletically.


Exactly he’s perfectly built for any sport/athletics.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:29 am
by DCasey91

Watch on YouTube
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… yeah he clears no diff. Respect to Rose but Westbrook is the full package. Lol that first clip is post 30 at the Lakers ffs. Being bigger he covers more ground easily too.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:36 am
by DCasey91
pr0wler wrote:Westbrook faster/stronger, D-Rose better balance and body control.


Isn’t that wrong? Rose legitimately lost his career due to lack of body control.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:45 am
by pr0wler
DCasey91 wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Westbrook faster/stronger, D-Rose better balance and body control.


Isn’t that wrong? Rose legitimately lost his career due to lack of body control.


There are many contributing factors. Poor landing mechanics being one of them.

Maybe if he had Westbrook's strength, his knees wouldn't have taken as much of a toll over the years.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:55 am
by 2020
Rose

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:55 am
by HotelVitale
RRR3 wrote:This is obviously Westbrook. Ask yourself this: would they have been close as players if Westbrook had Rose's bball IQ? No, Westbrook might have been the GOAT PG if that was the case.


Hmm, Rose might not have had the IQ you think he did? Wasn't a particularly smart player iirc, at least didn't have the chance to get there since his injury came so soon in his career. I remember him using his athleticism to do almost all that he did.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:13 am
by RRR3
HotelVitale wrote:
RRR3 wrote:This is obviously Westbrook. Ask yourself this: would they have been close as players if Westbrook had Rose's bball IQ? No, Westbrook might have been the GOAT PG if that was the case.


Hmm, Rose might not have had the IQ you think he did? Wasn't a particularly smart player iirc, at least didn't have the chance to get there since his injury came so soon in his career. I remember him using his athleticism to do almost all that he did.

I didn't say Rose was particularly smart. Westbrook is by far the stupidest star player (basketball wise, seems like a smart guy off the court) I've ever witnessed though, so there's a clear difference.

Re: Athletically: MVP Rose V MVP Westbrook

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:53 am
by NO-KG-AI
HotelVitale wrote:
RRR3 wrote:This is obviously Westbrook. Ask yourself this: would they have been close as players if Westbrook had Rose's bball IQ? No, Westbrook might have been the GOAT PG if that was the case.


Hmm, Rose might not have had the IQ you think he did? Wasn't a particularly smart player iirc, at least didn't have the chance to get there since his injury came so soon in his career. I remember him using his athleticism to do almost all that he did.


Rose wasn't brilliant, but I thought he did a good job of keeping things pretty simple, playing to his strengths, and not making a bunch of idiotic turnovers or forcing awful shots. I actually like his decision making for a guy that wasn't a basketball savant. I think it's why he adapted pretty well to different roles and styles as he aged.