Redraft combining last 3 NBA Drafts

[ogmagicfan]

I've seen some people on Twitter posting this so I thought I'd bring it to the forum.

Lotto:
1. Wembanyama
2. Paolo
3. Cade
4. Mobley
5. Franz
6. Chet
7. Scoot
8. Kessler
9. Jalen Green
10. Amen Thompson
11. Jalen Williams
12. Brandon Miller
13. Sengun
14. Giddey/Barnes

Outside lotto: Sharpe, Ausar, Jabari, Keegan, Ivey

Feel free to share your own mocks

Edit:
I'm going to tier my picks out and provide context:

Tier 1

1. Wembanyama

Generational talent. I'll be surprised if he isn't a top 25 player in the league by his sophomore year. His speed at his size is INSANE. It's like if Kareem & Ralph Sampson had a child. Having the Spurs legends as mentors helps alot with his development as well

Tier 2

2. Paolo

Most impressive rookie season since Zion. Showed an incredible offensive arsenal, top tier ability at drawing FTs (.476 FTr). Has great size & strength (6'10.5 barefoot). His ability to pass the ball is what is going to make his leap into stardom easier due to defenses having to pay for doubling. He's a consistent 3 pt shot away from being a top 10 NBA player for a longtime.

Tier 3

3.Mobley
4.Cade

Mobley has already showed himself as a DPOY candidate in his 2nd season, improved his efficiency has great size for a PF. Mobley can really take his game another level by building on his jumpshot, which I think will be key because he doesnt have a wide frame for his legs, which is going to make it difficult for him to be a bruiser in the paint. Dwight had the same problem, however he had a bigger upper body frame and built it to compensate for it

I dropped Cade one spot from the original post for a couple reasons, but lets talk about his strengths first. He's a natural passer, a great defender, great rebounder, and has the tools to be versatile & efficient offensively. His problem is he doesnt have the athletic burst to seperate from defenders and pick his spots, so he's struggled at the rim, and his 3 pt shot hasn't fully translated in the NBA yet, however I think that has more to do with his slow start his rookie szn and the lack of spacing the Pistons have. He can easily be a 25-7-7 player in his prime on good efficiency.

Tier 4

5. Franz
6. Chet
7. Scoot

Franz is already a good starter 2 yrs into his career, plays like a vet, very patient versatile offensive game. Plays well on both sides of the ball. He's a midrange, better rebounder, and higher jumpshot release point away from being a player with practically no weaknesses. If he builds on his game he can be a legit 2nd option on a championship team, if not a 3rd option.

Chet is a unique talent, similar to Victor in many ways but obviously there's levels to this. Chet would be higher, Tier 3 if it wasn't for the foot injury. Considering big men & foot injuries are a red flag, that's why he's slotted where he is. He can be a very impactful player on both sides, Rudy Gobert with a jump shot and better at switching on guards.

Scoot is next in line of super athletic PG's, like John Wall, Westbrook, Rose, Ja Morant before him. He already has an NBA body, and if he can get a consistent jumper & plays hard defense, he'll be a superstar with ease, and jump ahead of some of the players listed above him

Tier 5

8.Kessler
9. Jalen Green
10. Amen Thompson
11. Jalen Williams

Kessler was incredible his rookie season, and looks like a Rudy Gobert esque player. Interested to see if he can build on his game and get a consistent 3 ball.

Jalen Green is interesting, he's a freakish athlete, has had inefficiency problems, it feels like whenever I watch Rockets games, it'll seem like Jalen Green is going to breakout for 40 pts after the 1st quarter, but struggle with hitting shots after a hot start. I think the weight he's added will help, and the vets will help every player on the Rockets because theyve been a mess these past couple years

Amen is a great talent, student of the game, and has a natural feel. If he gets a jump shot, he's easily a top 5 player on this list. I love watching him play and I expect the Rockets to push the tempo with him in the game

Jalen was a pleasant surprise, great efficiency and a big reason why the Thunder made the play-ins, a lil on the older side by his draft age, but looking forward to him building on his production last season

Tier 6

12. Brandon Miller
13. Sengun
14. Giddey/Barnes

Brandon Miller is an interesting case, I think he's comparable to Jabari Smith in some ways when it comes to weakness at finishing at the rim & strength at elevating for jumpers contested. However Miller is definitely alot better ball handler.

Sengun is an intruging prospect. If the reports that he really did grow 2 inches, a 6'11 center with a great feel for the game(BBIQ), passing ability will always be valued. Improving his interior defense is key

Giddey & Barnes are both players some are very high on, I'm not as much but that doesn't mean I think they're bad players. They both project to me as great Glue players, but not as top 3 options on a contender. Giddey improving defensively & 3 pt shooting & Barnes improving his jumper will do ALOT for their games & trajectory.

[blackcosmos]

Wow, you have 2022 rookie of the year at 14. But have Cade who barely play at 3

[Up-And-Coming]

Based on what we've already seen, Austin Reaves should be in the lottery

[ogmagicfan]

Wow, you have 2022 rookie of the year at 14. But have Cade who barely play at 3

I'm drafting by potential, which is partly influenced by production but not solely production

Also Barnes regressed this past season. I still like Cade as a 2 way 3 level scorer

[ogmagicfan]

Based on what we've already seen, Austin Reaves should be in the lottery

I'd have him right outside the lotto, but there's definitely a case to have him in the lotto

[The Servant]

Cade looks pretty slow for his size (which is smaller than what was rumored and has had trouble getting by people. I dont have him nearly as high.. Wild.

Honestly I think Jalen Williams had a nicer rookie year as a solid 2 way player. He took 6 less fga and put up similar numbers as a mostly off ball slasher.

Even Ivey put up better percentages and you have him out of the top 14 while Cade is #3 lmao.

[JB2]

This post feels like an Orlando Magic fan flex

[bstein14]

#1. It still feels a year too early for this considering its got rookies we haven't seen play yet. Ask this same question in 9 months and I think we'll have a much better correct answer as to where these guys would fall.

#2 Franz is going to be a solid starter for a long time, but he doesn't have the star player upside that many of the other guys do on this list. No GMs in this past draft would have traded a top 5 pick for him.

#3 Cade is tough to rank coming off that injury.

[One_and_Done]

I've seen some people on Twitter posting this so I thought I'd bring it to the forum.

Lotto:
1. Wembanyama
2. Paolo
3. Cade
4. Mobley
5. Franz
6. Chet
7. Scoot
8. Kessler
9. Jalen Green
10. Amen Thompson
11. Jalen Williams
12. Brandon Miller
13. Sengun
14. Giddey/Barnes

Outside lotto: Sharpe, Ausar, Jabari, Keegan, Ivey

Are we redrafting with hindsight? Because if not there's no way that's the order. Even with hindsight that's a bad list. Jalen Green could be a bust still, and Sengun might be bench player. Hard to see guys like Keegan amd Sharpe going behind them. Kessler is too low upside t0 go that high. Etc etc.

[ogmagicfan]

Cade looks pretty slow for his size (which is smaller than what was rumored and has had trouble getting by people. I dont have him nearly as high.. Wild.

Honestly I think Jalen Williams had a nicer rookie year as a solid 2 way player. He took 6 less fga and put up similar numbers as a mostly off ball slasher.

Even Ivey put up better percentages and you have him out of the top 14 while Cade is #3 lmao.

I do have concerns about Cade's speed, but my hope is he gets better at picking his spots and using his size (6'6 but not 6'8) on some Luka sh**

Cade was the 1st option, Jalen was a 2.5 option for his team, with a fringe top 10 player to take pressure off him, it's not a fair comparison

Luckily enough, basketball is not solely evaluated off offensive shooting percentages, and include defense, offensive versatality, passing, etc etc

This post was an invitation to post your own mock drafts, I don't expect everyone to agree with my points

[Sphynx]

I've seen some people on Twitter posting this so I thought I'd bring it to the forum.

Lotto:
1. Wembanyama
2. Paolo
3. Cade
4. Mobley
5. Franz
6. Chet
7. Scoot
8. Kessler
9. Jalen Green
10. Amen Thompson
11. Jalen Williams
12. Brandon Miller
13. Sengun
14. Giddey/Barnes

Outside lotto: Sharpe, Ausar, Jabari, Keegan, Ivey

Feel free to share your own mocks

Everyone still sleeping on Giddey it seems.

He's proved a highly effective scorer and playmaker despite being one of the youngest players in the league for the duration of his career to date.

He's also like 6-9 months younger than all of Chet, Ivey, Paolo etc despite going in the draft before. He's only just over a year older than Scoot.

He's got as much improvement as anyone on that list.

He's going to be a bulldozer in a few years when his body fills out, to go with his incredible BB IQ.

He's the modern Jason Kidd.

He may even be a long term creative PF, like a smaller Jokic.

[RoyceDa59]

Scottie Barnes over all those guys, not named Wemby or Paulo.

[ItsDanger]

Sengun ahead of Giddey and Barnes? Trash list.

[ogmagicfan]

I'm not the highest on either Giddey or Scottie Barnes.

I don't think either having the potential to be top 2 or even 3rd options on contenders, and although they've shown flashes in other parts of their game (Giddey = passing, reb. Barnes = Def versatality, passing)

I don't see either being anything other than a top-tier glue player, which is still pretty damn good, a lesser Draymond Green you could say, but the players above them I see having the potential to contribute more

[bstein14]

I'm not the highest on either Giddey or Scottie Barnes.

I don't think either having the potential to be top 2 or even 3rd options on contenders, and although they've shown flashes in other parts of their game (Giddey = passing, reb. Barnes = Def versatality, passing)

I don't see either being anything other than a top-tier glue player, which is still pretty damn good, a lesser Draymond Green you could say, but the players above them I see having the potential to contribute more

If you think Franz is top 5 from the past three years, you must also think that being a top 5 guy over three drafts makes you a sure fire MAX contract extension type player like we just saw players like Haliburon, Ball, Edwards and Bane got. So you'll have no problem if the Magic give him a MAX 5 year extension in 11 months? 5 years $230+ million? You must see him with real star potential if he's top 5 in a redraft of the previous three drafts.

[ogmagicfan]

#1. It still feels a year too early for this considering its got rookies we haven't seen play yet. Ask this same question in 9 months and I think we'll have a much better correct answer as to where these guys would fall.

#2 Franz is going to be a solid starter for a long time, but he doesn't have the star player upside that many of the other guys do on this list. No GMs in this past draft would have traded a top 5 pick for him.

#3 Cade is tough to rank coming off that injury.

1. List is for fun, obvious more time gives us a better chance to evaluate

2. I think it's fair to say some of the players below Franz might have higher star potential chance, but they also have a higher chance at burning out too. Franz averaged 19, 4, 4 in his soph yr with 59% TS%. His only weaknesses is lack of rebounding, & mid-range game. He gonna be a Khris Middleton level player with more slashing & less shooting at the very least. He's alot better than a "solid starter" already.

3. I have a tendency to give young perimeter players more leniency when getting injured, and they generally bounce back to 100%. At the same time, a player like Chet coming off the foot injury which is always scary for a big man, is why I don't have him higher. Knowing that another foot injury could sideline him for his career

[ogmagicfan]

I'm not the highest on either Giddey or Scottie Barnes.

I don't think either having the potential to be top 2 or even 3rd options on contenders, and although they've shown flashes in other parts of their game (Giddey = passing, reb. Barnes = Def versatality, passing)

I don't see either being anything other than a top-tier glue player, which is still pretty damn good, a lesser Draymond Green you could say, but the players above them I see having the potential to contribute more

If you think Franz is top 5 from the past three years, you must also think that being a top 5 guy over three drafts makes you a sure fire MAX contract extension type player like we just saw players like Haliburon, Ball, Edwards and Bane got. So you'll have no problem if the Magic give him a MAX 5 year extension in 11 months? 5 years $230+ million? You must see him with real star potential if he's top 5 in a redraft of the previous three drafts.

At the moment yeah it's looking like he'll get a max entension. I hope he'll give the Magic a lil discount for giving his brother Mo a very generous 2 yr/16 mil contract though

I know the Magic don't get alot of media coverage, but Franz is really that good. He doesn't only contribute and show up on the stat sheet, he does alot of the lil things.

Also for the players drafted this yr, a player like Scoot could easily put up 18 & 7 on decent efficiency (if Lillard is traded) and I'd have him over Franz, same goes for Brandom Miller etc. This set up is a lil unfair for the players drafted this yr since there's more risk for them due to not seeing them in NBA action yet

[YogurtProducer]

Kessler at #8 is LOL's.

[ogmagicfan]

Kessler at #8 is LOL's.

Kessler is a Gobert esque player so yeah, #8 seems reasonable.

[CraftylikeaFox]

Scottie Barnes over all those guys, not named Wemby or Paulo.

Lol no way