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Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:33 pm
by mdonnelly1989
At the peak of their prime.
Take a combination of...
Passing Touch
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Giving the ball to players favorite spots.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:44 pm
by God Squad
Kidd.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:46 pm
by Triple M
Kidd
BIRD
JAMES
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:50 pm
by tsherkin
Is this supposed to factor in ball-handling and athleticism and broader playmaking, or only technical passing proficiency?
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:50 pm
by SonicMcMahon
mdonnelly1989 wrote:At the peak of their prime.
Take a combination of...
Passing Touch
Zip
English
Giving the ball to players favorite spots.
I think you should add vision and creativity to your list of passing qualities.
I think in these areas Kidd and Bird have Lebron beat. (That's not to say Lebron isn't very high-level as well though)
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:54 pm
by Roger Murdock
Its easier to pass when you are a major threat to score. LeBron and Bird are fantastic passers but being scoring threats creates a LOT of easy looks.
Kidd was a decent scorer but far from a great one and he wasnt given nearly the same amount of defensive attention. He had harder passing lanes etc.
To me Kidd > LeBron > Bird
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:55 pm
by Duke4life831
Id take Kidd without much hesitation here. And this isnt to poo poo Bird or LeBron, just speaks more to the level of passer Kidd was.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:08 pm
by nikster
Roger Murdock wrote:Its easier to pass when you are a major threat to score. LeBron and Bird are fantastic passers but being scoring threats creates a LOT of easy looks.
Kidd was a decent scorer but far from a great one and he wasnt given nearly the same amount of defensive attention. He had harder passing lanes etc.
To me Kidd > LeBron > Bird
Yeah the scoring is such a major factor it can be hard to separate passing outcomes created from passing "skill" vs the gravity they draw as a scorer.
I agree with Kidd first. Lebron and Bird are different kinds of passers but they're close enough I have a hard time separating them
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:12 pm
by cam24thomas
LeBron is the only boring passer in that poll. Too passive and simple, maybe because his hands are too small, or maybe its mental.
The 3 most entertaining passers ever:
1. Larry Bird
2. Magic Johnson
3. Michael Jordan
Kidd is entertaining enough, but not on that level.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:44 pm
by Tomtolbert
It's always hard to figure out what we are judging with these type of questions. If a player has certain advantages when it comes to height, athleticism, scoring ability, ball handling/attacking the rim, etc, he can be a more effective passer. But if we attempt to normalize those factors and asses pure passing ability, it's a different discussion.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:53 pm
by MavsDirk41
Kidd. He wasnt the greatest facilitator ever/or most entertaining passer, but he was pretty freaking great.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:00 pm
by FrobeBryant
Lebrons a great passer but I wouldn't put him with the best passers of all time. Not a knock on him though. His uniqueness is having his vision and passing ability for a guy his size and build.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:03 pm
by Bad-Thoma
I'd take Bird, he was ridiculous. That's not taking anything away from Kidd or Lebron (with Kidd finishing soundly ahead of Lebron), but Bird had a level of creativity they just couldn't reach.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:06 pm
by Matt15
1.Kidd
2.Bird
3.James
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:14 pm
by GreatWhiteStiff
Bad-Thoma wrote:I'd take Bird, he was ridiculous. That's not taking anything away from Kidd or Lebron (with Kidd finishing soundly ahead of Lebron), but Bird had a level of creativity they just couldn't reach.
I love that you can hear him call out DJ 4 seconds before the pass comes down the court. 30 seconds in. Bird was on some different level, you can see that exemplified with the creative passing.
Re: Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:16 pm
by Slim Charlez
Kidd
Bird
Lebron