What do you think Kings need to go over the top?

mdonnelly1989 · Post #1 » by **mdonnelly1989** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:02 am

Something tells me Kings are 85-90% of the way to being a true Championship contender.

Especially with my pre season MVP award D. Fox

What is it you think that they need to do to go over the top.

Pelon chingon · Post #2 » by **Pelon chingon** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:14 am

OG anunoby. Still Keagan Murray is reminding me of a young Scottie Pippen more and more.

SpreeS · Post #3 » by **SpreeS** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:30 am

SAC is same like OKC and MIN with DEN will be a force in the West for next 5y if nothing change.

SAC - Murray
MIN - Edwards
OKC - Holmgren/JWill

These players developing will be the main factor for team’s success.

AussieCeltic · Post #4 » by **AussieCeltic** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:36 am

Upgrade the Huerter and Barnes positions.

Both good individual pieces on their own, but I feel with this team, they're not enough to push the Kings over the top.

I love the OG fit instead of Barnes as Pelon said above. Would be tough to get him though. I'm not sure they have enough for the Raptors to bite. Maybe Vezenkov + filler and 25/29 FRP?

At the 2, I think they need a all star player, I just don't know if that guy is available right now. To be honest, the perfect fit would be a guy like Paul George. Maybe they can see if the Clippers are in some pain around the trade deadline and offer up Huerter + Barnes + Duarte and 27 FRP - They'd probably need to be a bit more creative and include a third team to get the Clippers back some expirings and another pick while sending Huerter elsewhere.

C - Sabonis / Mcgee
PF: OG / Lyles
SF: Murray / Monk
SG PG / Ellis
PG: Fox / Davion

Now that's a very very good team but it would be almost impossible to pull off

mdonnelly1989 · Post #5 » by **mdonnelly1989** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:52 am

Pelon chingon wrote:OG anunoby. Still Keagan Murray is reminding me of a young Scottie Pippen more and more.

That's also who I had in mind too.

The perfect 3 and D player this team needs.

BoogieTime · Post #6 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:53 am

AussieCeltic wrote:Upgrade the Huerter and Barnes.

Both good individual pieces on their own, but I feel with this team, they're not enough to push the Kings over the top.

I love the OG fit instead of Barnes as Pelon said above. Would be tough to get him though. I'm not sure they have enough for the Raptors to bite. Maybe Vezenkov + filler and 25/29 FRP?

At the 2, I think they need a all star player, I just don't know if that guy is available right now. To be honest, the perfect fit would be a guy like Paul George. Maybe they can see if the Clippers are in some pain around the trade deadline and offer up Huerter + Barnes + Duarte and 27 FRP - They'd probably need to be a bit more creative and include a third team to get the Clippers back some expirings and another pick while sending Huerter elsewhere.

C - Sabonis / Mcgee
PF: OG / Lyles
SF: Murray / Monk
SG PG / Ellis
PG: Fox / Davion

Now that's a very very good team but it would be almost impossible to pull off

Within the context that the Kings had the number 1 offense in the league last year, and number 1 with Fox this year up until tonight, not sure a mega scorer/usage guy like George would be too additive, though I appreciate the talent upgrade.

deltarich87 · Post #7 » by **deltarich87** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:58 am

Anunoby to replace Barnes and Caruso for backup PG would do wonders for them tbh. That + Keegan continuing to fine tune his game and becoming a 18-20 PPG type guy for them. He's already taken a leap on the defensive end this season

CraftylikeaFox · Post #8 » by **CraftylikeaFox** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:01 am

One of the biggest things is Sabonis needs to be able to take and make those 15 - 18 footers regularly. He's shown he can, but he still looks apprehensive even when defenses leave him wide open. Him being able to hit those when our pick and rolls get shut down will be massive for the Kings.

AussieCeltic · Post #9 » by **AussieCeltic** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:06 am

BoogieTime wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:Upgrade the Huerter and Barnes.

Both good individual pieces on their own, but I feel with this team, they're not enough to push the Kings over the top.

I love the OG fit instead of Barnes as Pelon said above. Would be tough to get him though. I'm not sure they have enough for the Raptors to bite. Maybe Vezenkov + filler and 25/29 FRP?

At the 2, I think they need a all star player, I just don't know if that guy is available right now. To be honest, the perfect fit would be a guy like Paul George. Maybe they can see if the Clippers are in some pain around the trade deadline and offer up Huerter + Barnes + Duarte and 27 FRP - They'd probably need to be a bit more creative and include a third team to get the Clippers back some expirings and another pick while sending Huerter elsewhere.

C - Sabonis / Mcgee
PF: OG / Lyles
SF: Murray / Monk
SG PG / Ellis
PG: Fox / Davion

Now that's a very very good team but it would be almost impossible to pull off

Within the context that the Kings had the number 1 offense in the league last year, and number 1 with Fox this year up until tonight, not sure a mega scorer/usage guy like George would be too additive, though I appreciate the talent upgrade.

Good point. I still feel you need a guy who can get his own shot at the end of a close playoff game. You've got Fox but no real second guy other than maybe Monk in that situation. PG can play off ball as we've seen in OKC with Westbrook and in LAC off Kawhi/Westbrook and I think would look nice with Fox and Sabonis. He can also be a lock down defender even though he's dropped off a bit on that end.

If not him, just someone in that mold. Maybe doesn't have to be as good as scorer, but definitely someone who can create if needed and defend at a high level.

Chuck Everett · Post #10 » by **Chuck Everett** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:17 am

I think they need continuity. They still have a few guys who have barely played in the playoffs. Huerter and Barnes are the only guys with a lot of playoff experience. I'd let the cake bake this year.

Post #11 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:22 am

They need an MVP level player, hate to say it. So hard to break through without one. Hard enough with one.

Rainwater · Post #12 » by **Rainwater** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:25 am

Pelon chingon wrote:OG anunoby. Still Keagan Murray is reminding me of a young Scottie Pippen more and more.

I haven't watched Keagan Murray in awhile but I feel like his game is completely different form Pippen. Pippen was a defensive Point Forward. Last I heard Murry was a 3 point specialist still working on his handle.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #13 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:35 am

I think they should have moved off of Barnes and and traded for a true PF with Murray playing SF. It didn't have to be anyone special but someone with size that can help block shots and defend the post since we don't get that from Sabonis. A guy like Jaren Jackson Jr. would be ideal but of course every team wants guys like that so it's easier said than done.

I hated our disastrous draft because there were a couple of guys who fit that description or that had high upside yet we took two older, small wings. The type of players you take when you have everything and just need depth which is not where we are

As we sit, we are pretenders with the ability to beat any team when Fox and Sabonis are on but not good enough to win more than a single playoff series and there's no path for that to improve either. I wish I was more excited

BoogieTime · Post #14 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:35 am

Rainwater wrote:
Pelon chingon wrote:OG anunoby. Still Keagan Murray is reminding me of a young Scottie Pippen more and more.

I haven't watched Keagan Murray in awhile but I feel like his game is completely different form Pippen. Pippen was a defensive Point Forward. Last I heard Murry was a 3 point specialist still working on his handle.

Keegan's diversifying his offense and his defense is much improving, but no need to mention him in the same breath as a top 50 all time player at this point, I agree. Maybe he meant in style

Post #15 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:51 am

They need an alpha capable or projected to be able to carry a team to the title.

reminds me of the Derozan raptors. Good second round 50+ win team but never really a title contender and a major shake up away from making that leap.

BoogieTime · Post #16 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:03 am

dockingsched wrote:They need an alpha capable or projected to be able to carry a team to the title.

reminds me of the Derozan raptors. Good second round 50+ win team but never really a title contender and a major shake up away from making that leap.

Well who is significantly better than Sabonis and Fox in the West this year so far?

Jokic/Murray
Doncic/Kyrie
LeBron/AD
KD/Booker
Curry/Klay
Kawhi/George

are candidates. But some of those guys aren't actually better, or the distance between one of them and the Kings best player is the same as the Kings 2nd best player and the other guy on said team. Maybe even a couple/several (?) of those pairs are a bit better but the Kings probably have better surrounding players.

The west is fairly open

FrodoBaggins · Post #17 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:03 am

Sabonis limits their ceiling due to his defensive shortcomings. Similar to Jokic in Denver. Doesn't mean they can't win a championship. Just makes it a little more difficult. As stated earlier, an OG Anunoby would be huge for them.

OxAndFox · Post #18 » by **OxAndFox** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:25 am

An OG would be perfect. Fox is a superstar. Domas isn't far off as well.
The Kings don't need to go and put a 3rd star in there and smother Keegan's development.

I know this sounds silly, but let's see when Lyles gets back. I feel he was in for a huge season. Not suggesting he would average 15-17 points or anything like that, just his impact as a 3 point shooter dragging the D and he showed he was getting a little more physical on D.
In theory, the Kings have Huerter, Barnes, Murray, Vezenkov, Lyles, Monk, and Duarte as really, really good shooters. If Fox's 3pt shooting stays around 38% at 8 attempts per game then you can add him to that list too.

But it will all come down to D. The Kings stay around where they are now (number #14) and they will be tough to beat.

Raps in 4 · Post #19 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:29 am

Pascal Siakam

deltarich87 · Post #20 » by **deltarich87** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:24 am

Raps in 4 wrote:Pascal Siakam

Yeah I wouldn't mind him either tbh, though OG fits more with their core from a skillset standpoint and age standpoint, so he'd still be the guy I really wish they found a way to acquire.

Paul George is a hail mary type option if the Clippers continue to hover around or below .500. Don't really see that though of course