Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre'

Moderators: Domejandro, ken6199, bisme37, Dirk, KingDavid, cupcakesnake, bwgood77, zimpy27, infinite11285

User avatar
Phreak50
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,928
And1: 10,965
Joined: Feb 01, 2014

Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#1 » by Phreak50 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:20 am

The only guy in the media with the balls to call the Spurs out for this Sochan charade.

Just stop this nonsense Pop.

You'll get a good pick actually playing hard and playing the right guys because your team isn't good enough.

Stop treating the fans, myself for example who has followed the Spurs for 31 years now, like fools.

Fix the lineup, get some proper development from your best two players and grow some positive habits.
User avatar
LukaMagic
Senior
Posts: 682
And1: 692
Joined: Jul 05, 2010

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#2 » by LukaMagic » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:33 am

Realgm teaching Pop basketball is hilarious.
User avatar
Phreak50
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,928
And1: 10,965
Joined: Feb 01, 2014

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#3 » by Phreak50 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:34 am

LukaMagic wrote:Realgm teaching Pop basketball is hilarious.


He is throwing games and wanting everyone to believe the ‘Sochan experiement’ is serious.

It’s not rocket science.

I reckon even you could have won a ring with Duncan, Parker and Ginobili…
User avatar
Lalouie
RealGM
Posts: 22,515
And1: 11,911
Joined: May 12, 2017

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#4 » by Lalouie » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:39 am

but then who in '24 are they aiming for??????? like who is worth tanking. i just looked at the list and of never heard of any of these guys

2024 is supposedly not top heavy but deep

nothing adds up
Wingy
RealGM
Posts: 15,683
And1: 6,417
Joined: Feb 15, 2007

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#5 » by Wingy » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:44 am

Lalouie wrote:but then who in '24 are they aiming for??????? like who is worth tanking. i just looked at the list and of never heard of any of these guys

2024 is supposedly not top heavy but deep

nothing adds up


Sarr.

New Duncan/Robinson, just a lot more French.

More a joke to be clear. I like the highlights I’ve seen from Sarr and would like to have him on my team (Bulls), but he’s no DRob/Timmy as a prospect.
Roy T
Rookie
Posts: 1,193
And1: 1,002
Joined: Jan 30, 2022
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#6 » by Roy T » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:50 am

Lalouie wrote:but then who in '24 are they aiming for??????? like who is worth tanking. i just looked at the list and of never heard of any of these guys

2024 is supposedly not top heavy but deep

nothing adds up


LeBrons son?

Any other decent prospect they have contract control over for more than half a decade?
User avatar
Dominator83
RealGM
Posts: 20,717
And1: 31,534
Joined: Jan 16, 2005
Location: NBA Hell

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#7 » by Dominator83 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:16 am

Roy T wrote:
Lalouie wrote:but then who in '24 are they aiming for??????? like who is worth tanking. i just looked at the list and of never heard of any of these guys

2024 is supposedly not top heavy but deep

nothing adds up


LeBrons son?

Any other decent prospect they have contract control over for more than half a decade?

You can get Bronny with the 10th pick they would naturally get by just letting the cards fall where they may.
Fantasy Hoops/Football/Baseball fans..

For info on a forum that actually talks Fantasy sports and not spammed with soliciting leagues, PM me. The more the merrier !
AussieCeltic
RealGM
Posts: 12,974
And1: 24,101
Joined: Jan 02, 2014
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#8 » by AussieCeltic » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:19 am

Read on Twitter
?s=46
LaLover11 wrote:I bet you $100 Mavs beat the Celtics
ogmagicfan
Head Coach
Posts: 6,178
And1: 2,347
Joined: Mar 30, 2014
     

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#9 » by ogmagicfan » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:21 am

It's pretty clear theyre purposely tanking
GreatWhiteStiff
RealGM
Posts: 15,226
And1: 12,660
Joined: Oct 17, 2011
Location: Overusing finna
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#10 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:22 am

I'll say it liek this again, perhaps sochan can't run an nba offense. Does that mean you shouldn't play him at point guard. Many people would say no, you shouldn't. Running him at point guard has shown he's not a good point guard.

But perhaps you should play him at point guard because he can't run an nba offence. Maybe the experiment was never about him being good at running an nba offence. Maybe its not a failed experiment. It was never about those terms.
Image

Let's playin for 9th!

"OG puts the clamps on point guards like Trae Young." -DelAbbot
GreatWhiteStiff
RealGM
Posts: 15,226
And1: 12,660
Joined: Oct 17, 2011
Location: Overusing finna
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#11 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:25 am

ogmagicfan wrote:It's pretty clear theyre purposely tanking


Maybe it's not even about tanking or not tanking. Maybe that's not the purpose of what they're doing here. It wouldn't surprise me if it had little or nothing to do with tanking.
Image

Let's playin for 9th!

"OG puts the clamps on point guards like Trae Young." -DelAbbot
User avatar
G R E Y
Senior Mod - Spurs
Senior Mod - Spurs
Posts: 50,496
And1: 38,281
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Location: Silver and Black
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#12 » by G R E Y » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:26 am

We develop everyone, not just Wemby.

RJ is hardly the go-to for insight. Tre started last season, too, and he plays like a couple of minutes less than Sochan this season. Plenty of minutes with Wemby as well. What are his points for saying Tre would result in too many wins?

Counter points:

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


I think a few more threads will convince everyone that it's all a big ruse rather than plain old growing pains of the youngest team in the league, one of the toughest SOS, missing our second best player for half our games, and yes trying some things. Development. It takes time. We fought well tonight.
ImageImageImage
The Spurs Way
Thinking of you, Pop :hug:

#XX
AussieCeltic
RealGM
Posts: 12,974
And1: 24,101
Joined: Jan 02, 2014
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#13 » by AussieCeltic » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:35 am

G R E Y wrote:We develop everyone, not just Wemby.

RJ is hardly the go-to for insight. Tre started last season, too, and he plays like a couple of minutes less than Sochan this season. Plenty of minutes with Wemby as well. What are his points for saying Tre would result in too many wins?

Counter points:

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


I think a few more threads will convince everyone that it's all a big ruse rather than plain old growing pains of the youngest team in the league, one of the toughest SOS, missing our second best player for half our games, and yes trying some things. Development. It takes time. We fought well tonight.


He’s not a point guard though and he never will be in this league. It’s like handing the reigns to PJ Tucker and saying “he’ll learn”. Point guard is not a position you can just learn how to play. He can’t run a pick and roll, he can’t beat anyone off the dribble and he constantly makes poor decisions.

The team clearly runs better with Tre on out there running the show. Sochan needs reps in his future role, which will ultimately be a 3/4 hustle type of guy.

I see zero upside in this experiment.
LaLover11 wrote:I bet you $100 Mavs beat the Celtics
meatwad4343
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,473
And1: 460
Joined: Mar 02, 2011
Location: Tampa, Florida

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#14 » by meatwad4343 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:42 am

Unpopular opinion but I think it has a lot with pops thinking he's the smartest guy in the room when he's not and smelling his own farts thinking he can make it work. Similar to belicheck in new England post Brady. Best thing for pops would be to bow out somewhat gracefully while he still can and call it a career
User avatar
G R E Y
Senior Mod - Spurs
Senior Mod - Spurs
Posts: 50,496
And1: 38,281
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Location: Silver and Black
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#15 » by G R E Y » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:46 am

AussieCeltic wrote:
G R E Y wrote:We develop everyone, not just Wemby.

RJ is hardly the go-to for insight. Tre started last season, too, and he plays like a couple of minutes less than Sochan this season. Plenty of minutes with Wemby as well. What are his points for saying Tre would result in too many wins?

Counter points:

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


I think a few more threads will convince everyone that it's all a big ruse rather than plain old growing pains of the youngest team in the league, one of the toughest SOS, missing our second best player for half our games, and yes trying some things. Development. It takes time. We fought well tonight.


He’s not a point guard though and he never will be in this league. It’s like handing the reigns to PJ Tucker and saying “he’ll learn”. Point guard is not a position you can just learn how to play. He can’t run a pick and roll, he can’t beat anyone off the dribble and he constantly makes poor decisions.

The team clearly runs better with Tre on out there running the show. Sochan needs reps in his future role, which will ultimately be a 3/4 hustle type of guy.

I see zero upside in this experiment.

It's ok that you don't. The collective here decided for it. It's not about turning Sochan into a PG but turning him into a better more versatile version of himself. Keldon was put in this role, too, of bringing up the ball more and initiating the O, and he sucked at first and I loathed it. Part of it was that the ball always ended up as a shot when it got to his hands and so he had to learn to see plays developing and team mates open. When you initiate the O, you get used to the ball leaving your hands. He also had poor handles, picked up his dribble too soon, and couldn't finish well at the rim. And you know who had these same issues? Tre. Yes, the true PG struggled at the NBA level in these aspects. Now Sochan's strengths last season were D and passing. Now he's learning to do it with the ball rather than off more, and he's working on handles, and guarding the best opponents, something Keldon can't do, and frankly you can't teach height with Tre. He got exploited badly on D last season, for those who watched. Like I said, it's about development. Not just Wemby's, and for the record, he is on board with it. It just takes time.
ImageImageImage
The Spurs Way
Thinking of you, Pop :hug:

#XX
User avatar
Lalouie
RealGM
Posts: 22,515
And1: 11,911
Joined: May 12, 2017

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#16 » by Lalouie » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:51 am

Wingy wrote:
Lalouie wrote:but then who in '24 are they aiming for??????? like who is worth tanking. i just looked at the list and of never heard of any of these guys

2024 is supposedly not top heavy but deep

nothing adds up


Sarr.

New Duncan/Robinson, just a lot more French.

More a joke to be clear. I like the highlights I’ve seen from Sarr and would like to have him on my team (Bulls), but he’s no DRob/Timmy as a prospect.


at where the spurs are now they can prolly get anyone they want w/o tanking
if jefferson is implying tanking then there has to be a target

jefferson is a wise-cracker. this smacks of a typical insouciant jefferson remark, "because they're winning too many games",
is a smart-@ss version of a laughable "they are tanking"

sounds like an experiment pops wants to take NOW before it really matters . like he's just trying sh***. people are taking this like this season matters for the spurs. this team gets blow'd out by 40 if wemby doesn't get 20/10/3 - they really sukkk
Milenkovic
Senior
Posts: 698
And1: 996
Joined: Oct 19, 2016
     

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#17 » by Milenkovic » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:54 am

I miss when noone watched the Spurs

Sochan obviously isn't the long term solution, but theyre destroying the kid after 15 odd games at PG. I agree that he needs to iron out all the kinks out of his system.
FarBeyondDriven
Analyst
Posts: 3,007
And1: 2,209
Joined: Aug 11, 2021
 

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#18 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:03 am

said it before the season, they don't care about this season. They could try to get in the play-in but it's not their goal. Finding out if Sochan can be a point forward is more important than winning a few more games with Jones. There's a surplus of guards available and they can be found anytime whether in house, trade or through the draft. Finding a point forward is like striking gold. If "tanking" lands them another french dude in Sarr than great. And if they need to find a PG because Sochan isn't working out it'll be easy.
Kineto
Junior
Posts: 250
And1: 283
Joined: Jan 05, 2013

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#19 » by Kineto » Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:06 am

I bought the league pass to see Victor play in the NBA, not the NCAA.

If Sochan needs to learn how to play basketball, there's training or the G-League for that...
Chokic
Rookie
Posts: 1,125
And1: 928
Joined: Mar 30, 2023

Re: Richard Jefferson 'they are playing Sochan over Jones because they'd be winning too many games with Tre' 

Post#20 » by Chokic » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:08 am

The spurs tank this season to land Sarr to pair w/ Wemby and form the Eiffel Towers.

Return to The General Board