Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jaime Jaquez Jr

[WillyJakkz]

Both young up and coming swingmen in the League who are becoming fan favorites of their respective franchises.

Who Would You Rather Have:

20yr old 2nd season Shaedon Sharpe or 22yr old rookie Jaime Jaquez Jr aka Juan Wick?


Shaedon Sharpe
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sharpsh01.html


Jaime Jaquez Jr
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jaqueja01.html

Some people may say prisoner of the moment but I believe this has legit merit.

[deepeeenn]

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

[Karate Diop]

Depends on the team. For a win now I might prefer Jacquez but for a rebuilding team I'd want Sharpe and it's not that close.

[VaDe255]

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

Also JJJ > Sharp, I get that some project Sharp's ceiling heigher, but at this point JJJ is a better player getting major closing minutes on a playoff team, scoring on great efficiency and defending on a good level. I rather take a young guy, who is already impacting winning, than talent which might not turn out.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

If Jaquez is a future multi-time all-star, what about these players who are younger than him:
Anthony Edwards
LaMelo Ball
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Alperen Şengün
Paolo Banchero
Chet Holmgren
Jabari Smith Jr.
Jalen Williams
Mark Williams
Tari Eason

[deepeeenn]

Spoiler:

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

Also JJJ > Sharp, I get that some project Sharp's ceiling heigher, but at this point JJJ is a better player getting major closing minutes on a playoff team, scoring on great efficiency and defending on a good level. I rather take a young guy, who is already impacting winning, than talent which might not turn out.

I said high level role player most of his career. That gives leeway for him to have years where he might be your 2nd best player on a playoff team, maybe not a championship team but who knows? It’s possible but chances aren’t high he becomes some max level player. Player growth is not always exponential, some times players plateau. That is kind of my expectation with Jaime but I’m open to surprise. I’ve been plenty wrong before but also plenty right.

But generally, if you are a franchise wagering on choosing one over the other you are trying to get the highest quality player between the two. Which comes with a small number of factors, usually tied to ultimate potential and chances of reaching said potential.

I think most people would agree that Shae has a much higher ceiling and potential than Jaime. And as I contextualized — because that’s really what this question boils down too, putting together context behind the choice — if you’re a rebuilding team say with the #1 pick and these two as your choices. It’s hard to fathom Jaime going before Shae. Shae has superstar potential, face of the franchise potential whereas Jaime could be an Allstar but I’d never expect anyone want to build an entire team around him.

[threethehardway]

Shaedon Sharpe at 19 was a better basketball player than JJ.

Shaedon Sharpe at 20 is a better basketball player than JJ.

Shaedon Sharpe is most likely gonna be a better basketball player than JJ at 22 unless JJ takes a Jimmy Butler esque leap.

[Charlesareed]

I was watching the Sixers Heat game and thought Portland really messed up not trading dame to Miami they could’ve had a nice young core and still traded for Ayton

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

Also JJJ > Sharp, I get that some project Sharp's ceiling heigher, but at this point JJJ is a better player getting major closing minutes on a playoff team, scoring on great efficiency and defending on a good level. I rather take a young guy, who is already impacting winning, than talent which might not turn out.

But generally, if you are a franchise wagering on choosing one over the other you are trying to get the highest quality player between the two. Which comes with a small number of factors, usually tied to ultimate potential and chances of reaching said potential.

If you put them in the draft with the information we have right now, JJJ will go first.

I'm not going to deep dive into their numbers but from a glance JJJ's shot profile is great and he is scoring on very high efficiency, it looks sustainable. His usage is already on the high end for a role player.

Sharps shot profile and usage is similiar, but he struggles majorly with efficiecy and is below nba average. He gets fewer steals and has a lower ast/to ratio.

At this point you just bank on potential, but getting to those efficiecy numbers JJJ is posting up right now will be difficult for Sharp, as he is not getting to the rim as much and is more reliant on the 3p shot.

[brutalitops]

Sharpe is more rated on potential and shown vast improvement from coming in to what he started off with this season, super inconsistent at points, but he;s 20.

Jaquez Jr if he doesnt improve one bit from right now is a solid starter who doesnt hurt you on defence and can do a little bit of everything without being outstanding on nothing. Every team would take him because he's just a solid efficient scorer, you trust the ball in his hands and can defend well. He might never be a superstar but he;s gonna have a good career

It's an argument of potential vs consistent output. If you wanted to make/contend its JJJ, If you wanted a punt at a dude with all star potential you would pick Sharpe

[Onlytimewilltel]

I haven’t seen much of Sharpe. All I remember is seeing him late in game recently against warriors, with 7 second left in the game, warriors up by two but someone from dubs missed a free throw and Blazers have a chance to tie or win. Sharpe gets the ball and dribbles toward and jumps directly into a warriors defender committing an offensive foul with like a second left.

He tried to make zero moves, zero strategy, just threw him self at a dubs player wildly and committed a charge and lost his team the game.

It wasn’t a favorable first impression lol

[510TWSS]

SS reminds me of Gerald Green, great flash at times but empty calories out there that doesn’t lead to wins. We’ll see though give me the better triple J for now

[deepeeenn]

If you put them in the draft with the information we have right now, JJJ will go first.

I'm not going to deep dive into their numbers but from a glance JJJ's shot profile is great and he is scoring on very high efficiency, it looks sustainable. His usage is already on the high end for a role player.

Sharps shot profile and usage is similiar, but he struggles majorly with efficiecy and is below nba average. He gets fewer steals and has a lower ast/to ratio.

At this point you just bank on potential, but getting to those efficiecy numbers JJJ is posting up right now will be difficult for Sharp, as he is not getting to the rim as much and is more reliant on the 3p shot.

You’re welcome to believe and support Jaime however within reason you’d like but I’d disagree with most of your points here especially your first.

Teams still draft largely based on potential and on the business side that usually comes with its ability to spark interest in a fan base and increase marketing and sales. Shae would go #1 over Jaime based on what we know right now even with how well Jaime has been playing. Age still plays a part because how it’s tied to growth expectations. I’d love to revisit this conversation 4 more years into their careers.

As far as shot profile and efficiency, a lot of that is tied to role. I won’t dive into it either because I’m not going to get too serious about this but Jaime is playing a supporting role on that Heat team while Shae had for most of this year played as one of the lead roles on the Blazers. Offenses and defenses engage the two differently very differently. And while I respect how well Jaime is playing, it’s hard for me to ignore that. If I were to ask Jaime to play a similar role say as a 1st option
on a rebuilding team, I’d be comfortable saying he’d wouldn’t have the same shooting efficiency.

It can be easier to succeed in a defined role as an ancillary player like Jaime especially with his player qualities on a team that historically is well coached and has players that buy in. Versus a player like Shae that is on a team with most players trying to figure out who they are and how they want to play.

[deepeeenn]

SS reminds me of Gerald Green, great flash at times but empty calories out there that doesn’t lead to wins. We’ll see though give me the better triple J for now

I figure since I’m here and I’m clearly pro-Shae, that I’ll comment by saying this is definitely a wrong perception. GG lacked the BBIQ and while Shae isn’t some savant now, he has shown flashes of having very good BBIQ and it’s been said by multiple people that he’s really shown an ability to learn quickly. Dame being one of them, Billups being another, possibly Brogdon also.

That said, I can see why people might think it’s “empty calories” but so much of that involves having a decent team around you. Versus a team that at its core is tanking.

[deepeeenn]

I haven’t seen much of Sharpe. All I remember is seeing him late in game recently against warriors, with 7 second left in the game, warriors up by two but someone from dubs missed a free throw and Blazers have a chance to tie or win. Sharpe gets the ball and dribbles toward and jumps directly into a warriors defender committing an offensive foul with like a second left.

He tried to make zero moves, zero strategy, just threw him self at a dubs player wildly and committed a charge and lost his team the game.

It wasn’t a favorable first impression lol

Again, since I’m here, I’ll comment.
But yeah… I’ll agree that wasn’t a great play but not entirely indicative of who he is as a player. He is still learning. Clearly Jaime is a more seasoned; Shae didn’t play his college year whereas Jaime played 4 years. That all said, usually he has relied a bit too much on his dunk prowess to scare defenders in the paint and I think it was Podziemski that very smartly took the charge but could have easily been a blocking foul. A combo of not a smart play from Shae and smart play from Podz definitely makes it look extra bad.

[iamoti]

Potential is overrated. How many of these "high" potential players actually reach that potential? Very few.

I keep seeing the argument that JJJ is 22. So what? You have him for cheap untill he's 26. And you can sign him as restricted after so you basicaly have him locked untill 30. Whats so bad about that? For the 19 yo rookie you have to extend him around 22 most of the time based on potential still.

Also the argument that JJJ might not make a leap because he's already 22 , does that not apply to a 20yo? At the moment you could argue Sharpe is not doing great in a increased role. His FG is down from 47 to 41% from his rookie year. Thats a big drop.



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[510TWSS]

SS reminds me of Gerald Green, great flash at times but empty calories out there that doesn’t lead to wins. We’ll see though give me the better triple J for now

I figure since I’m here and I’m clearly pro-Shae, that I’ll comment by saying this is definitely a wrong perception. GG lacked the BBIQ and while Shae isn’t some savant now, he has shown flashes of having very good BBIQ and it’s been said by multiple people that he’s really shown an ability to learn quickly. Dame being one of them, Billups being another, possibly Brogdon also.

That said, I can see why people might think it’s “empty calories” but so much of that involves having a decent team around you. Versus a team that at its core is tanking.

Don’t get me wrong he had a good game against the warriors earlier this year during a hot streak. The next week he was non existent. He’s got a lot of promise just as an outside fan I am just not putting all eggs in his basket just yet

[deepeeenn]

Spoiler:

SS reminds me of Gerald Green, great flash at times but empty calories out there that doesn’t lead to wins. We’ll see though give me the better triple J for now

I figure since I’m here and I’m clearly pro-Shae, that I’ll comment by saying this is definitely a wrong perception. GG lacked the BBIQ and while Shae isn’t some savant now, he has shown flashes of having very good BBIQ and it’s been said by multiple people that he’s really shown an ability to learn quickly. Dame being one of them, Billups being another, possibly Brogdon also.

That said, I can see why people might think it’s “empty calories” but so much of that involves having a decent team around you. Versus a team that at its core is tanking.

Don’t get me wrong he had a good game against the warriors earlier this year during a hot streak. The next week he was non existent. He’s got a lot of promise just as an outside fan I am just not putting all eggs in his basket just yet

Hey man, it’s all good. He’s been playing heavy minutes this year; averaging 35MPG… by all outside accounts, he’s not used to it and he’s getting tired. Even though reports say he’s very willing to try to play and do what’s asked of him. I have tempered expectations about him too but the thread was about which of the these two players would you choose. So I’m saying my piece(s). But from the outside it seems like the plan is for him to get reps and play as much as he can to work on his game. Lots of bumps along the way.

[AussieCeltic]

When JJJ was Sharpes age, he was a sophomore in College averaging 12/6/2.

JJJ is a very nice player but I think Sharpes ceiling is a lot higher.

You also have to remember one is coached by Spo, the other is coached by Billups

[UcanUwill]

I don't see how this is comparable. Sharpe looks like future superstar, Jaquez is next Brogdon, which is fine, but come on.