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ScrantonBulls wrote:It is abundantly clear by looking at the west. Historically the 1 vs 8 seed matchup is nearly a guaranteed series win for the 1 seed. 7 vs 2 isn't much better. Looking at the west, it wouldn't be completely shocking if the 9th or 10th seed (Lakers and Warriors) upset the 1 seed. It's isn't likely of course, but it wouldn't be a monumental shock like when an 8 seed upset a 1 seed in the past. I can see anybody ranked 1 through 10 in the west making it to the conference finals. A team with a healthy LeBron and AD is the freaking 9th seed. Back in the 90s a team led by mid-30s Malone and Stockton won the West two years in a row. Today a team with a healthy LeBron and AD can barely scratch the playoffs. Just think about that for a second.

The league is so deep now, from the superstars to the role players. It's clear that the talent is higher than it has ever been - and it isn't particularly close. I truly think the days of dynasty teams is over. There's just too much talent and parity now a days.

SlimShady83 wrote:PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BRING BACK DEFENSE

SlimShady83 wrote:PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BRING BACK DEFENSE

Bring It back to the way It use to be

One_and_Done wrote:

SlimShady83 wrote:PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BRING BACK DEFENSE

Bring It back to the way It use to be

Defence is more physically taxing today anyway, it just doesn't involve as many elbows.

ScrantonBulls wrote:It is abundantly clear by looking at the west. Historically the 1 vs 8 seed matchup is nearly a guaranteed series win for the 1 seed. 7 vs 2 isn't much better. Looking at the west, it wouldn't be completely shocking if the 9th or 10th seed (Lakers and Warriors) upset the 1 seed. It's isn't likely of course, but it wouldn't be a monumental shock like when an 8 seed upset a 1 seed in the past. I can see anybody ranked 1 through 10 in the west making it to the conference finals. A team with a healthy LeBron and AD is the freaking 9th seed. Back in the 90s a team led by mid-30s Malone and Stockton won the West two years in a row. Today a team with a healthy LeBron and AD can barely scratch the playoffs. Just think about that for a second.

The league is so deep now, from the superstars to the role players. It's clear that the talent is higher than it has ever been - and it isn't particularly close. I truly think the days of dynasty teams is over. There's just too much talent and parity now a days.

One_and_Done wrote:Teams that won the title 15 years ago wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round today. It's a far stronger league.

Gatorade Sax wrote:
Bring back hand checking? What’s that going to do?

FarBeyondDriven wrote:

ScrantonBulls wrote:It is abundantly clear by looking at the west. Historically the 1 vs 8 seed matchup is nearly a guaranteed series win for the 1 seed. 7 vs 2 isn't much better. Looking at the west, it wouldn't be completely shocking if the 9th or 10th seed (Lakers and Warriors) upset the 1 seed. It's isn't likely of course, but it wouldn't be a monumental shock like when an 8 seed upset a 1 seed in the past. I can see anybody ranked 1 through 10 in the west making it to the conference finals. A team with a healthy LeBron and AD is the freaking 9th seed. Back in the 90s a team led by mid-30s Malone and Stockton won the West two years in a row. Today a team with a healthy LeBron and AD can barely scratch the playoffs. Just think about that for a second.

The league is so deep now, from the superstars to the role players. It's clear that the talent is higher than it has ever been - and it isn't particularly close. I truly think the days of dynasty teams is over. There's just too much talent and parity now a days.

it's not. It's just that there are half a dozen really inept organizations or outright tanking teams. More so than usual. It's never been easier to score. Games are basically three point contests. Are guys better shooters now? Sure. Does that make them more talented? Of course not. They can't dribble without carrying the ball. They can't drive to the basket without first getting a switch onto a big via illegal moving screen then using their off arm to push off to create separation. Without these switches, the only way they can get separation to get shots off (if they're not wide open which they usually are) is to travel.

lambchop wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Teams that won the title 15 years ago wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round today. It's a far stronger league.

It's a random bogus claim. The 09 Lakers only had one player that would arguably be unplayable and that's Bynum. The other guys, like Kobe, Odom, prime Gasol, Radmanovic, Vujacic, Fisher, Ariza etc. would have no issue at all and actually fit perfectly in this era.

The 08 Celtics would also do great with Rondo, Allen, Pierce, KG, Posey, House, Powe and I think Scalabrine would get more regular minutes cause of his shooting ability lol. Tony Allen probably plays less though and would look more like Jarred Vanderbilt with better defense but similar limitations on offense.

The Corey's wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:

SlimShady83 wrote:PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BRING BACK DEFENSE

Bring It back to the way It use to be

Defence is more physically taxing today anyway, it just doesn't involve as many elbows.

Congratulations. You're the only person on earth who thinks NBA players are playing acceptable defense.

One_and_Done wrote:

lambchop wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Teams that won the title 15 years ago wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round today. It's a far stronger league.

It's a random bogus claim. The 09 Lakers only had one player that would arguably be unplayable and that's Bynum. The other guys, like Kobe, Odom, prime Gasol, Radmanovic, Vujacic, Fisher, Ariza etc. would have no issue at all and actually fit perfectly in this era.

The 08 Celtics would also do great with Rondo, Allen, Pierce, KG, Posey, House, Powe and I think Scalabrine would get more regular minutes cause of his shooting ability lol. Tony Allen probably plays less though and would look more like Jarred Vanderbilt with better defense but similar limitations on offense.

The 2009 Lakers would get bent over and spanked by at least half the West this year. They don't shoot enough 3s to be competetive for one thing. Guys like Odom make considerably less sense today. He's not overly good at 3 or D, so you'd basically have to play him as your 5 man. That gives the Lakers three 5 men in Bynum, Odom and Pau. Clearly that won't work. I agree their other players have a place in today's game, but the overall talent level has increased so much they'd be much worse.

I actually think the 08 Celtics are a bit of an exception, which is why I said 15 years and not 16. They could just play Ray at the 1 and they'd be fine. But in 09 KG gets hurt and is never 100% again.

ScrantonBulls wrote:It is abundantly clear by looking at the west. Historically the 1 vs 8 seed matchup is nearly a guaranteed series win for the 1 seed. 7 vs 2 isn't much better. Looking at the west, it wouldn't be completely shocking if the 9th or 10th seed (Lakers and Warriors) upset the 1 seed. It's isn't likely of course, but it wouldn't be a monumental shock like when an 8 seed upset a 1 seed in the past. I can see anybody ranked 1 through 10 in the west making it to the conference finals. A team with a healthy LeBron and AD is the freaking 9th seed. Back in the 90s a team led by mid-30s Malone and Stockton won the West two years in a row. Today a team with a healthy LeBron and AD can barely scratch the playoffs. Just think about that for a second.

The league is so deep now, from the superstars to the role players. It's clear that the talent is higher than it has ever been - and it isn't particularly close. I truly think the days of dynasty teams is over. There's just too much talent and parity now a days.

One_and_Done wrote:

The Corey's wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Defence is more physically taxing today anyway, it just doesn't involve as many elbows.

Congratulations. You're the only person on earth who thinks NBA players are playing acceptable defense.

Ask KG which defence is tougher to play; today or the 90s. Hint; it's not the 90s.

The Corey's wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:

The Corey's wrote:
Congratulations. You're the only person on earth who thinks NBA players are playing acceptable defense.

Ask KG which defence is tougher to play; today or the 90s. Hint; it's not the 90s.

What does that mean dude? The defense today is unacceptable.

Your point is a whole different argument.