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6'9.5" to 6'10" Bill Russell had a greater standing reach than 7'1" Wilt, 7'2" Kareem, and 7'4" Ralph Sampson 

Post#1 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:14 pm

Bill Russell's incredible standing reach has greatly intrigued me. With no official measurement, I've had to rely on anecdotal stories of which I've come across three:

1) A 1955 article pointed out that Bill Russell had a higher standing reach than 7'3" barefoot Swede Halbrook.

As for his standing reach, its undetermined. There was however this 7'3" white dude named Swede Halbrook from Oregon and in a photo-op before jumpball in an NCAA regional finals, he raised the ball as high as he could but Russell was still able to place his hands on top of the ball Swede was holding up.

A lot of coaches foremost among them is Red Auerbach maintains that a basketball player's true height is not from his feet to the top of his head but rather from his feet to the tip of his upstretched arms.

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Bill beating Swede in a jump ball:

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2) There was a story about how Bill Russell had a higher standing reach than 7'2" barefoot Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

'Rumor has it that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was 7 feet 2 inches without shoes, and over 7 foot 3 with shoes, once stood next to Bill Russell, holding a basketball. He then looked at Bill and said, "Hey, can you touch the ball without standing on your toes?" He then held the ball as high up above his head as he could, asking Bill to try to touch the ball without standing on his toes, and which point Bill walked over, and standing completely flatfooted, stretched on of his arms up as high as he could... and placed the palm of his hand over the TOP of the basketball (which Kareem's hand was underneath).'


3) There was a story about how Bill Russell had a higher standing reach than Ralph Sampson, who wasn't 7'4" but around Kareem's height. The anecdote came from a Sacramento Kings announcer back when Bill Russell was coach. I believe it was Jerry Reynolds.

The third has been confirmed multiple times by the poster SNPA:

SNPA wrote:I can confirm this story is told by Jerry Reynolds. It’s from Bill’s time as Head Coach of the Kings. According to Jerry it happened in Bill’s office and Bill asked Sampson to standup and put his hand in the air. Bill stood next to him and put his hand up. Jerry says most of Bill’s hand was over the top of Sampson’s hand. Jerry says that’s when he realized Bill wasn’t like other 6’11’’ guys and things started making sense around his dominance.


SNPA wrote:I’ll tell the story again.

Jerry Renyolds was Russell’s assistant coach in Sac (also head coach before and after him). Jerry is a lifer. Proof? He goes back to riding on the garbage truck with Bird. Literally. He rode on the truck with him.

Jerry tells a story of trading for Ralph Sampson and Russell having him into the office when he arrived. At some point Russell asked Sampson to stand up and put his hand in the air. Standing next to him Russell put his hand in the air too, it was almost the full hand higher.


I believe all three to be truthful, especially given the fourth anecdote I've just come across from a very reliable source. A Washington Post article from 2022 written by Thomas Boswell detailed a story about a Russell-Chamberlain photo op that occurred when Wilt came into the NBA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/05/bill-russell-death-championships/

In a famous anecdote, Russell met his perfect foil — Chamberlain — for a photo op when Wilt entered the NBA. The photographers wanted a side-by-side, the subtext being that the chiseled, 7-1, 275-pound Wilt was Goliath to the lean David of Russell.

Then Russell asked for a shot with both holding their hands as far as they could reach over their heads. With his long arms, Russell had a fingertip advantage. Bill was taller in some basketball sense — and as a champion high jumper in college, Russell probably had a vertical edge.

Anybody who thinks Russell didn’t “play big enough” for this century is probably wrong.


A little on Boswell's credentials:

Tom Boswell was a Washington Post sports columnist from 1984 until retiring in 2021. He started at The Post in 1969 as a copy aide, and he spent 12 years as a general-assignment reporter, covering baseball, golf, college basketball, tennis, boxing and local high school sports.


Russell broke into the NBA in 1956, the same year I became a sports-addicted child. The Celtics dominated the NBA’s weekly national telecast, so Washingtonians got to see him often. That he became one of the most prominent athletes to take strong political stands in the 1960s — and through his life — only added to my admiration then and keeps his memory powerfully relevant now.

I didn’t go to college in New England because the Celtics were on TV there. But, considering what I got to see from 1965 to ’69, that might have been a good reason.


I believe this story because I've read old forum posts talking about how Wilt mentioned in interviews that Russell and Thurmond had greater standing reaches than him. But there's only footage from one of them about Thurmond.

Wilt Chamberlain's standing reach was measured at 9'6" barefoot, which would be 9'7.25" in the standard-sized 1.25" shoes players tend to wear today. That's more or less Rudy Gobert's measurement from the 2013 NBA Draft to put things into perspective.

To think Russell has a most likely slight edge over Wilt here despite being several inches shorter is remarkable. And it might surprise many because Chamberlain's wingspan was three to four inches greater. But the wingspan measurement includes shoulder width and Bill was noticeably narrow in the clavicles while Wilt was quite broad.

Look at that photo of Shaq, Wilt, and Ewing pre-game to get an idea of his frame width. Bill was built more like KD, Bosh, or Jermaine O'Neal.

We do have official hand length measurements and Wilt's is 9.5" while Bill's is 10.5". Russell's wingspan is all in his arms and hands. Combined with a short neck, small head, and very flexible shoulders and you get a 9'7"+ standing reach on a 6'9.5" to 6'10" guy. Nate Thurmond's probably the only guy who has Bill beat when it comes to standing reach.

It suddenly makes sense how Russell was able to dominate defensively. Add freakish functional size and GOAT-level athleticism together with A1 basketball intelligence and intangibles.

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Post#2 » by MacGill » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:37 pm

Yeah, Russell had a great wingspan but I am not too sure in comparison to the other 'Genetic Freaks' that you mentioned. Wilt especially was very long and obviously a few inches taller as well. Russell never seemed like 'Durant-ish' to me, but had a great nba body make-up. KAJ/Wilt these were some of the tallest and craziest wing span players ever, so Russell essentially would have had to have his knuckles dragging to really complete what the articles claim. But he 100% had a fantastic wing span and standing reach.
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Post#3 » by Iwasawitness » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:41 pm

Swede Halbrook is very clearly not reaching up as high as he can.
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Post#4 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:54 pm

MacGill wrote:Yeah, Russell had a great wingspan but I am not too sure in comparison to the other 'Genetic Freaks' that you mentioned. Wilt especially was very long and obviously a few inches taller as well. Russell never seemed like 'Durant-ish' to me, but had a great nba body make-up. KAJ/Wilt these were some of the tallest and craziest wing span players ever, so Russell essentially would have had to have his knuckles dragging to really complete what the articles claim. But he 100% had a fantastic wing span and standing reach.

The comparison to Durant was regarding the clavicles specifically. Bill was 100% narrow-built. Most people don't understand how to assess anthropometry and tell the difference between frame/clavicle width and shoulder width. It's biacromial breadth versus bideltoid breadth. Body weight, whether fat or muscle, affects how wide someone looks, but it doesn't make their bone structure broader.

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Narrow clavicles:

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Bill's narrow clavicles:

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Phil Jackson has some of the widest clavicles in NBA history. Here's a photo of him standing next to his narrow clavicle teammate for comparison:

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You can see how wide Mikan is here compared to Russell. He was the original NBA wide-body.

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Other wide-bodied/shouldered players include Tom Boerwinkle, Wes Unseld, Wayne Embry, Phil Jackson, Kevin McHale, Jeff Ruland, Charles Barkley, Kevon Looney, Mark Eaton, Dwight Howard, DeMarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis, etc.
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Post#5 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:57 pm

MacGill wrote:Yeah, Russell had a great wingspan but I am not too sure in comparison to the other 'Genetic Freaks' that you mentioned. Wilt especially was very long and obviously a few inches taller as well. Russell never seemed like 'Durant-ish' to me, but had a great nba body make-up. KAJ/Wilt these were some of the tallest and craziest wing span players ever, so Russell essentially would have had to have his knuckles dragging to really complete what the articles claim. But he 100% had a fantastic wing span and standing reach.


Wing span and standing reach aren't the same. Wingspan can be larger due to wider shoulders and a wider torso.
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Post#6 » by MacGill » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:10 pm

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MacGill wrote:Yeah, Russell had a great wingspan but I am not too sure in comparison to the other 'Genetic Freaks' that you mentioned. Wilt especially was very long and obviously a few inches taller as well. Russell never seemed like 'Durant-ish' to me, but had a great nba body make-up. KAJ/Wilt these were some of the tallest and craziest wing span players ever, so Russell essentially would have had to have his knuckles dragging to really complete what the articles claim. But he 100% had a fantastic wing span and standing reach.


Wing span and standing reach aren't the same. Wingspan can be larger due to wider shoulders and a wider torso.


Obviously, again, I think it is worth repeating, the players mentioned aren't Kevin Willis here. Already extremely tall and long bodies and limbs. Russell is noticebly shorter and would have to make up that difference in length of reach, regardless of the starting point. It isn't that complicated, and we have footage of Russell/Wilt battling it out for rebounds and dunks.

To state that Russell could place his hand on the top of a KAJ outstretched arm when you realize that part of his hook being unstoppable was the release point means that Russell easily had another 6-8 inches minimum when you account for the ball alone.
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Post#7 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:14 pm

Iwasawitness wrote:Swede Halbrook is very clearly not reaching up as high as he can.

The photo isn't meant to represent the story in the article. Neither Russell nor Swede are fully stretched out, reaching as high as they can. Bill's 10.5" long hands are most likely longer than Swede's per the DX measurement database and shoulder flexbility heavily influences standing reach. The 1955 article specifically mentions that Bill could reach higher than Swede. The guy who runs the Wilt Chamberlain Archive mentioned it in the description of this video. He's the guy who has gone through countless old newspaper archives:

20 year old Bill Russell listed at 6-10 215lbs at the time, versus Wade 'Swede' Halbrook listed 7-3 and cited at 245lbs that particular season. Despite their difference in height and weight, an interesting news article from the time points out that Bill Russell had an even higher standing reach than Halbrook. Russell's height w/o shoes was cited that year at 6-9 and 5/8ths with an armspan of 7 feet 4 inches.


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Post#8 » by Effigy » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:15 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:As for his standing reach, its undetermined. There was however this 7'3" white dude named Swede Halbrook from Oregon and in a photo-op before jumpball in an NCAA regional finals, he raised the ball as high as he could but Russell was still able to place his hands on top of the ball Swede was holding up.

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You can see in the picture that that's not true. Russel's arm is going straight up in the air, while Halbrook's arm is at more of a 45 degree angle. Halbrook most certainly is not raising the ball 'as high as he can'.
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Post#9 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:15 pm

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MacGill wrote:Yeah, Russell had a great wingspan but I am not too sure in comparison to the other 'Genetic Freaks' that you mentioned. Wilt especially was very long and obviously a few inches taller as well. Russell never seemed like 'Durant-ish' to me, but had a great nba body make-up. KAJ/Wilt these were some of the tallest and craziest wing span players ever, so Russell essentially would have had to have his knuckles dragging to really complete what the articles claim. But he 100% had a fantastic wing span and standing reach.


Wing span and standing reach aren't the same. Wingspan can be larger due to wider shoulders and a wider torso.


Obviously, again, I think it is worth repeating, the players mentioned aren't Kevin Willis here. Already extremely tall and long bodies and limbs. Russell is noticebly shorter and would have to make up that difference in length of reach, regardless of the starting point. It isn't that complicated, and we have footage of Russell/Wilt battling it out for rebounds and dunks.

To state that Russell could place his hand on the top of a KAJ outstretched arm when you realize that part of his hook being unstoppable was the release point means that Russell easily had another 6-8 inches minimum when you account for the ball alone.


Wilt has multiple blocks on Kareem's sky hook and the videos and photos we have of Wilt and Russell place their arms pretty close to each other in terms of reach. Wilt is MUCH wider than Russell. Now I'm not here to agree with OP that Russell clearly had a higher standing reach but it's not out of the realm of possibility either.
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Post#10 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:19 pm

Effigy wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:As for his standing reach, its undetermined. There was however this 7'3" white dude named Swede Halbrook from Oregon and in a photo-op before jumpball in an NCAA regional finals, he raised the ball as high as he could but Russell was still able to place his hands on top of the ball Swede was holding up.

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You can see in the picture that that's not true. Russel's arm is going straight up in the air, while Halbrook's arm is at more of a 45 degree angle. Halbrook most certainly is not raising the ball 'as high as he can'.

Iwasawitness wrote:Swede Halbrook is very clearly not reaching up as high as he can.

The photo isn't meant to represent the story in the article. Neither Russell nor Swede are fully stretched out, reaching as high as they can. Bill's 10.5" long hands are most likely comfortably longer than Swede's per the DX measurement database and shoulder flexbility heavily influences standing reach. The 1955 article specifically mentions that Bill could reach higher than Swede. The guy who runs the Wilt Chamberlain Archive mentioned it in the description of this video. He's the guy who has gone through countless old newspaper archives:

20 year old Bill Russell listed at 6-10 215lbs at the time, versus Wade 'Swede' Halbrook listed 7-3 and cited at 245lbs that particular season. Despite their difference in height and weight, an interesting news article from the time points out that Bill Russell had an even higher standing reach than Halbrook. Russell's height w/o shoes was cited that year at 6-9 and 5/8ths with an armspan of 7 feet 4 inches.


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Post#11 » by Effigy » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:21 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:
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FrodoBaggins wrote:As for his standing reach, its undetermined. There was however this 7'3" white dude named Swede Halbrook from Oregon and in a photo-op before jumpball in an NCAA regional finals, he raised the ball as high as he could but Russell was still able to place his hands on top of the ball Swede was holding up.

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You can see in the picture that that's not true. Russel's arm is going straight up in the air, while Halbrook's arm is at more of a 45 degree angle. Halbrook most certainly is not raising the ball 'as high as he can'.

Iwasawitness wrote:Swede Halbrook is very clearly not reaching up as high as he can.

The photo isn't meant to represent the story in the article. Neither Russell nor Swede are fully stretched out, reaching as high as they can. Bill's 10.5" long hands are most likely longer than Swede's per the DX measurement database and shoulder flexbility heavily influences standing reach. The 1955 article specifically mentions that Bill could reach higher than Swede. The guy who runs the Wilt Chamberlain Archive mentioned it in the description of this video. He's the guy who has gone through countless old newspaper archives:

20 year old Bill Russell listed at 6-10 215lbs at the time, versus Wade 'Swede' Halbrook listed 7-3 and cited at 245lbs that particular season. Despite their difference in height and weight, an interesting news article from the time points out that Bill Russell had an even higher standing reach than Halbrook. Russell's height w/o shoes was cited that year at 6-9 and 5/8ths with an armspan of 7 feet 4 inches.




Number one: The article specifically says that in a photo op Halbrook is raising the ball as high as he can. We can see the picture. That's not what he's doing.

Number two: While it's true neither guy is extending as far as they can, Russell is much closer to being fully extended than Halbrook is.
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Post#12 » by MacGill » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:23 pm

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Wing span and standing reach aren't the same. Wingspan can be larger due to wider shoulders and a wider torso.


Obviously, again, I think it is worth repeating, the players mentioned aren't Kevin Willis here. Already extremely tall and long bodies and limbs. Russell is noticebly shorter and would have to make up that difference in length of reach, regardless of the starting point. It isn't that complicated, and we have footage of Russell/Wilt battling it out for rebounds and dunks.

To state that Russell could place his hand on the top of a KAJ outstretched arm when you realize that part of his hook being unstoppable was the release point means that Russell easily had another 6-8 inches minimum when you account for the ball alone.


Wilt has multiple blocks on Kareem's sky hook and the videos and photos we have of Wilt and Russell place their arms pretty close to each other in terms of reach. Wilt is MUCH wider than Russell. Now I'm not here to agree with OP that Russell clearly had a higher standing reach but it's not out of the realm of possibility either.


Just google KAJ & Russell. KAJ shoulder almost starts at Russells chin. KAJ was super long as well but again you'd need crocdile arms when you have that much of an advantage to make up. Re: Wilt - yes and look how high he had to time his jumps with a 9'6 standing reach. Russell for his size had amazing length but the other two were even taller with just as crazy length. The logic in the articles just doesn't make sense here, that's all.
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Effigy wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:As for his standing reach, its undetermined. There was however this 7'3" white dude named Swede Halbrook from Oregon and in a photo-op before jumpball in an NCAA regional finals, he raised the ball as high as he could but Russell was still able to place his hands on top of the ball Swede was holding up.

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You can see in the picture that that's not true. Russel's arm is going straight up in the air, while Halbrook's arm is at more of a 45 degree angle. Halbrook most certainly is not raising the ball 'as high as he can'.

Halbrook is straight through go his legs, hips and shoulders. He is standing as tall as he can. Russell has slack hips and clearly isn’t fully standing as vertical as possible. Also, it’s always hard to account for hand size in a photo like this. Russell had huge hands.
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Post#14 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:27 pm

Effigy wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:
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You can see in the picture that that's not true. Russel's arm is going straight up in the air, while Halbrook's arm is at more of a 45 degree angle. Halbrook most certainly is not raising the ball 'as high as he can'.

Iwasawitness wrote:Swede Halbrook is very clearly not reaching up as high as he can.

The photo isn't meant to represent the story in the article. Neither Russell nor Swede are fully stretched out, reaching as high as they can. Bill's 10.5" long hands are most likely longer than Swede's per the DX measurement database and shoulder flexbility heavily influences standing reach. The 1955 article specifically mentions that Bill could reach higher than Swede. The guy who runs the Wilt Chamberlain Archive mentioned it in the description of this video. He's the guy who has gone through countless old newspaper archives:

20 year old Bill Russell listed at 6-10 215lbs at the time, versus Wade 'Swede' Halbrook listed 7-3 and cited at 245lbs that particular season. Despite their difference in height and weight, an interesting news article from the time points out that Bill Russell had an even higher standing reach than Halbrook. Russell's height w/o shoes was cited that year at 6-9 and 5/8ths with an armspan of 7 feet 4 inches.




Number one: The article specifically says that in a photo op Halbrook is raising the ball as high as he can. We can see the picture. That's not what he's doing.

Number two: While it's true neither guy is extending as far as they can, Russell is much closer to being fully extended than Halbrook is.

Look at the game footage, specifically the jump ball between Swede and Bill. It's quite clear Bill has the superior reach:

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Post#15 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:33 pm

It's hard for people to grasp human proportions. Being taller than another player doesn't guarantee longer hands or a greater standing reach. Look at how standing reach varies even at the 7'1" to 7'4" barefoot height range. Several guys in the 9'3" to 9'6" range. Also look at the hand length measurement of the 7'1" guys. Bill is 6'9.5" to 6'10" barefoot height range and has way more hand length than them:

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Post#16 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:34 pm

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Obviously, again, I think it is worth repeating, the players mentioned aren't Kevin Willis here. Already extremely tall and long bodies and limbs. Russell is noticebly shorter and would have to make up that difference in length of reach, regardless of the starting point. It isn't that complicated, and we have footage of Russell/Wilt battling it out for rebounds and dunks.

To state that Russell could place his hand on the top of a KAJ outstretched arm when you realize that part of his hook being unstoppable was the release point means that Russell easily had another 6-8 inches minimum when you account for the ball alone.


Wilt has multiple blocks on Kareem's sky hook and the videos and photos we have of Wilt and Russell place their arms pretty close to each other in terms of reach. Wilt is MUCH wider than Russell. Now I'm not here to agree with OP that Russell clearly had a higher standing reach but it's not out of the realm of possibility either.


Just google KAJ & Russell. KAJ shoulder almost starts at Russells chin. KAJ was super long as well but again you'd need crocdile arms when you have that much of an advantage to make up. Re: Wilt - yes and look how high he had to time his jumps with a 9'6 standing reach. Russell for his size had amazing length but the other two were even taller with just as crazy length. The logic in the articles just doesn't make sense here, that's all.


Russell looks to me to have longer arms relative to his body than either of these two and by a lot. Especially given how narrow his build is. That's why I don't think this is wild. Height and standing reach correlate for sure but with already freaking tall people...you have AD types who just don't have a huge standing reach despite having a huge wing span and vice versa.
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Post#17 » by MacGill » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:37 pm

Last post, as we all know Russell had great length, but Victor's standing reach is 9.8". Wilt was 9'6, I believe and Shaq 9'4". A basketball is under just under 10 inches in height, so I am sure we can all see what would be needed to exceed these giants incredible length. I doubt even Victor could even touch the top of a basketball in Wilt's out stretched arm. And I don't think we're going to argue Victor standing reach is less.....
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Post#18 » by MacGill » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:40 pm

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Wilt has multiple blocks on Kareem's sky hook and the videos and photos we have of Wilt and Russell place their arms pretty close to each other in terms of reach. Wilt is MUCH wider than Russell. Now I'm not here to agree with OP that Russell clearly had a higher standing reach but it's not out of the realm of possibility either.


Just google KAJ & Russell. KAJ shoulder almost starts at Russells chin. KAJ was super long as well but again you'd need crocdile arms when you have that much of an advantage to make up. Re: Wilt - yes and look how high he had to time his jumps with a 9'6 standing reach. Russell for his size had amazing length but the other two were even taller with just as crazy length. The logic in the articles just doesn't make sense here, that's all.


Russell looks to me to have longer arms relative to his body than either of these two and by a lot. Especially given how narrow his build is. That's why I don't think this is wild. Height and standing reach correlate for sure but with already freaking tall people...you have AD types who just don't have a huge standing reach despite having a huge wing span and vice versa.


Yeah man, certainly not arguing here, except again that KAJ/Wilt were just as freakish and I am sure you've seen the pic of Wilt standing reach under the basket. It literally means Russell could almost dunking without jumping. That's all.
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Re: 6'9.5" to 6'10" Bill Russell had a greater standing reach than 7'1" Wilt, 7'2" Kareem, and 7'4" Ralph Sampson 

Post#19 » by whitehops » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:41 pm

ever since i went to a trainer who specialized in biomechanics i've been fascinated with the differences in people's bodies. just look at this past combine... zach edey is 7'3.75'' w/o shoes and has a 7'10.75'' wingspan. donovan clingan is 7'1.75'' w/o shoes and has a 7'6.75'' wingspan. with those numbers you'd think that edey would have a higher standing reach by at least a couple inches. nope, they both have the exact same standing reach at 9'7". mark williams measured in at 7'0 w/o shoes with a 7'6.5" wingspan and his standing reach is higher than both edey and clingan at 9'9".

i wouldn't be surprised if bill russell had a crazy reach relative to his height. it would've been cool to get an accurate height on it.
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Re: 6'9.5" to 6'10" Bill Russell had a greater standing reach than 7'1" Wilt, 7'2" Kareem, and 7'4" Ralph Sampson 

Post#20 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:45 pm

People don't realize how crazy proportions can be. For instance, there's a 6'5" barefoot Nigerian guy with 11.25" long hands. Michael Carter-Williams is 0.25" shorter and has 7.5" long hands.

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