Which players would be exposed with inferior teams?

[tamaraw08]

Jordan Poole, Kendrick Nunn, Grant Williams looked good before but were exposed after leaving their well organized teams,
my question is which other players would be not as good if they moved to the bottom 10 teams in the league?
I think some players really thrive with great teammates, systems and exceptional coaching but won't be as good with subpar clubs.
I think of Tyler Herro, MPJ,Duncan Robinson, Draymond Green, and yes, even Bam Adebayo would not be as good with other teams.

[One_and_Done]

Kobe.

[Infinite Llamas]

Jamal Murray?

[guynumber45]

Jamal Murray. I think he's a 6th man on 95% of NBA teams. Only teams he could start on would probably be teams with another dominant big. So like the Sixers and Lakers maybe.

[NZB2323]

Everyone on the Nuggets. Jokic makes his teammates better.

[flranger]

Khris Middleton is my quick answer, but I'd sure consider Draymond here too.

[cgf]

About 99% of the NBA?

[SweaterBae]

"Michael Jordan didn't win until..."

[Catchall]

Daymond Green has made a living handing the ball to Steph Curry. On another team, he might barely be rotational due to his lack of shooting and scoring.

[NiceLikeChrist]

Good lord. People in here really saying one of the most versatile defenders oat, one of the best pnr and transition defenders oat, one of the best defenders ever period would get exposed on another team. A great passer too. It’s definitely not draymond.

You should be thinking one dimensional guys that fit specific systems. Aaron Gordon, which we already saw in Orlando. All of the heat role players who constantly trick people.

[CodeBreaker]

Jokic makes Jamal, Porter and Gordon look like elite core players of a championship team lol

[NZB2323]

Good lord. People in here really saying one of the most versatile defenders oat, one of the best pnr and transition defenders oat, one of the best defenders ever period would get exposed on another team. A great passer too. It’s definitely not draymond.

You should be thinking one dimensional guys that fit specific systems. Aaron Gordon, which we already saw in Orlando. All of the heat role players who constantly trick people.

Draymond Green was a bench player before David Lee got injured. If Marc Jackson remained the coach of the Warriors or Green was on a different team he may have never made an all-star team.

I agree that he was the 2nd best player on the Warriors and very important to them, but I don’t know how well he does if he’s drafted by Charlotte.

[NiceLikeChrist]

Good lord. People in here really saying one of the most versatile defenders oat, one of the best pnr and transition defenders oat, one of the best defenders ever period would get exposed on another team. A great passer too. It’s definitely not draymond.

You should be thinking one dimensional guys that fit specific systems. Aaron Gordon, which we already saw in Orlando. All of the heat role players who constantly trick people.

Draymond Green was a bench player before David Lee got injured. If Marc Jackson remained the coach of the Warriors or Green was on a different team he may have never made an all-star team.

I agree that he was the 2nd best player on the Warriors and very important to them, but I don’t know how well he does if he’s drafted by Charlotte.

Sure we can say he was drafted into a good situation that was important for his development. But I think guys in here are saying you could pluck dray in his prime and put him somewhere else and he would be a bench player. I disagree with that. Comparing him to a player like MPJ is just disrespectful.

Like the guy who said he made a career off dribble hand offs to curry lol. That’s a ridiculous thing to say.

[Lalouie]

"Michael Jordan didn't win until..."

but he'd get his numbers. no one wins anything on a bad team, 'cept kareem

lebron got to create his own posse until the lakers, except for covid

wilt had to have an astounding '67 philly team,,,and later the lakers and west

ewing sukkked royaly bad until pitino and riley

we've seen dray play ugly

redick and kd said if jrue ever plays on the good team you'll see his true value. now,,,announcers fall all over themselves when speaking his name

ALL ROLE PLAYERS,,,so i guess we must be talking about just the hi profile players

so are we talking about winning or numbers

[ArksNetsSince99]

Kobe.

LOL , the hate is still real and alive while Kobe is not

So sad

[MartyConlonJr]

Jordan Poole, Kendrick Nunn, Grant Williams looked good before but were exposed after leaving their well organized teams,
my question is which other players would be not as good if they moved to the bottom 10 teams in the league?
I think some players really thrive with great teammates, systems and exceptional coaching but won't be as good with subpar clubs.
I think of Tyler Herro, MPJ,Duncan Robinson, Draymond Green, and yes, even Bam Adebayo would not be as good with other teams.

Any reason 3 of the 5 guys you mention are Miami Heat players? Do you think it is Jimmy Butler (who misses 20+ games a season) who is hiding them, or are you saying it is Spo?

I think Bam could play anywhere.

I think Duncan Robinson has evolved enough to survive on another team, but he could be another Jason Kapono I suppose. He has added some wrinkles to his game.

Herro is exposed on Miami already. There are question marks on his efficiency and impact on winning, plus he is always injured. He would actually do better somewhere with a true PG, and hopefully Miami will allow him to play off ball more and prosper. Herro may be slightly hidden more on Miami on defense, as Bam covers for a lot of guys mistakes.

[Lockdown504090]

Daymond Green has made a living handing the ball to Steph Curry. On another team, he might barely be rotational due to his lack of shooting and scoring.

Yup Kyle Anderson really getting exposed out there.

[tsherkin]

Jordan Poole, Kendrick Nunn, Grant Williams looked good before but were exposed after leaving their well organized teams,
my question is which other players would be not as good if they moved to the bottom 10 teams in the league?
I think some players really thrive with great teammates, systems and exceptional coaching but won't be as good with subpar clubs.
I think of Tyler Herro, MPJ,Duncan Robinson, Draymond Green, and yes, even Bam Adebayo would not be as good with other teams.

MPJ is a roleplayer. Nothing about him struggling in a tougher environment would "expose" him. Same with basically all of those guys. Everyone knows they arent focal stars, and that they have limitations.

[MPM]

Jordan Poole, Kendrick Nunn, Grant Williams looked good before but were exposed after leaving their well organized teams,
my question is which other players would be not as good if they moved to the bottom 10 teams in the league?
I think some players really thrive with great teammates, systems and exceptional coaching but won't be as good with subpar clubs.
I think of Tyler Herro, MPJ,Duncan Robinson, Draymond Green, and yes, even Bam Adebayo would not be as good with other teams.

I get the premise, but have to question Grant Williams.

Grant averaged 8.1, 4.6, 1.7 on 41/38 in 26 mins in his last season for the Celts.

For the Hornets last year he averaged 13.9, 5.1, 3.2 on 50/37 in 31 mins. He looked quite good - was effective - and we were a crappy, crappy team.

Also, despite his criticized stint for the Mavs, his stats were almost identical for the Mavs and the Celts.

Basically, Grant was a capable role player for the Celts and is a capable role player for the Hornets. Not much has changed.

[cupcakesnake]

I think the idea here (players requiring their current context to make a high level of impact) is just about role and skill set. Secondary scorers who do the most damage by playing off someone else's scoring pressure. It can also apply to players with big weaknesses (defense or shooting maybe) that is masked by the strengths of the roster they're on.

I think the biggest example is bucket getters on teams that badly need bucket getters. If you go to a team that already has primary bucket getters, the little things matter way more, and your bucket getting is less valuable. If we throw Herro or Anfernee Simmons on Boston... they probably aren't that important like they are to their current teams. They're still skilled scorers, but how much skilled scoring does your team have/need. It's like Bradley Beal going to Phoenix. That teams needs defense, passing, and rim pressure. Beal's value comes from being a perimeter scorer and Phoenix already has all the perimeter scoring you could ever want.

So sure, if your role is to be a finisher for Jokic (the best playmaker in the game), you're going to struggle a little more with a worse playmaker. Aaron Gordon gets less lobs and MPJ gets less open 3s. But they both still have elite skill sets that will be useful wherever they go. A healthy Jamal Murray is going to be a lethal pull up threat wherever, but obviously him pairing with the best screening passer of all-time gives him advantages that would be hard to replicate with other teams.

I don't see this as being about player quality. I think when fans react with things like "exposed" it's often them not understanding what a player does and how they function in an offense/defense. Players skill sets will be more or less impactful in different contexts, but the skill set doesn't change.