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Shooting 28% from 3 on a team with three Stars.
I think it is time to move him before his value depreciates. Also, he is due extension in eight months so time is nearning for Kings FO to make decision.

Adding Demar stunted his development.

- Forced to play out of position and guard bigger forwards cause DD is a cone on defence.
- The ball is in hand less to accommodate DD.

Demar sets franchises back instead of moving them forward.

Kings have 3 stars? That's news to me.

All the Murrays suck so far this season

I never bought into the hype for him and thought he was overhyped

The improvement in defense last year was pleasant, but offensively I dont see the hype and his cold streaks from 3 while getting good looks is consistent

The Kings shouldve traded him for OG when they had the chance

Mike Brown prolly be fired before (or around) Christmas

Would like to see how Keegan performances under a new coach/voice of the Kings before making judgement (MB has probably taken the Kings as far as he can take them)

The solution is simple. Trade Demar.

lol ya thats right blame keegan failing on other players lol...he hasn't added any skills to his game since day 1...he started out pretty good year one, and year 2 was exact same and now year 3 hes the exact same player

he cant dribble, cannot pass, and has no moves lol

he has good size and shoots the 3, we knew that since year 1 and hes literally that same player today

I see him as a poor man's John Collins.

kg01 wrote:I see him as a poor man's John Collins.

Collins is a better Off-Ball Player and Spot Up Shooter

yeah they gotta ditch Demar he kills teams

Demar didn't play in Portland yet they still lost. Murray is shooting bricks
1/9

The Derozan trade severely unbalanced their roster even more than it already was. They need to make another move or two to get better fitting role players around their main guys.

They need another starting level forward to go with Fox/Derozan/Murray/X/Sabonis.

This team is way way less than the sum of its parts.

terrible franchise stays terrible

Y’all have me ready to fight for this player and he’s not on my team.



Give him a minute. It’s the same thing people said about Franz 3 point shooting even though their first 2 years showed you that they can shoot.

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Y’all have me ready to fight for this player and he’s not on my team.



Give him a minute. It’s the same thing people said about Franz 3 point shooting even though their first 2 years showed you that they can shoot.

Funny that Keegan is older than Franz and Franz had better shooting stats than Keegan. Plus he is always consistent in his International Play so there is always potential in his game even before.
In today's league, you need to be a 3D to be a solid starter, Keegan is missing the 3.

Keegan Murray shot 41% from 3 as a rookie, but somehow couldn't sustain it after that. He is what he is, another Kings role player whos struggling. Kings are very Euro like team, where all 5 starters are similar level, but NBA is too talented now, and that model doesn't work well, since very best player, if not more, will almost always play on opposite team. Basketball, especially NBA basketball, is a sport where individuals make enormous difference, and Kings lack that extraordinary individuals.

Hitman88 wrote:

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Y’all have me ready to fight for this player and he’s not on my team.



Give him a minute. It’s the same thing people said about Franz 3 point shooting even though their first 2 years showed you that they can shoot.

Funny that Keegan is older than Franz and Franz had better shooting stats than Keegan. Plus he is always consistent in his International Play so there is always potential in his game even before.
In today's league, you need to be a 3D to be a solid starter, Keegan is missing the 3.

Franz can do so much more with the ball, he needed shooting to open up his game to real star status, Keagan right now needs shooting just so he would be good role player. Talent difference is definitely not on Keagan's side here.

dballislife wrote:lol ya thats right blame keegan failing on other players lol...he hasn't added any skills to his game since day 1...he started out pretty good year one, and year 2 was exact same and now year 3 hes the exact same player

he cant dribble, cannot pass, and has no moves lol

he has good size and shoots the 3, we knew that since year 1 and hes literally that same player today

I feel 2 ways about it, and think it's a little more complicated than the scouting report you're giving here.

On one hand you're right, there are limitations to Keegan's game and we haven't seen skill development in an obvious sense. His fall off as a 3-point shooter has been pretty damaging, and he hasn't been a positive efficiency scorer without it. That 3-point shot gave him a nice basement as an offensive player, but now the basement has collapsed without him meaningfully adding to the ceiling.

However, Keegan showed some really interesting stuff working hand off action with Sabonis last year. He's a very aggressive driver who's big enough to finish in traffic (fairly elite at this actually). He has fantastic elevation on his jumper and can reliably counter on drives into a very solid pull up game. He's also a very sneaky, high-motor cutter, so he's a nice guy to pair with Sabonis (and to a lesser degree, Fox) who is always ready to throw interior passes.

The other thing that Keegan is very good at is posting mismatches. Mike Brown talked a lot last offseason about putting in a post up package for Keegan, but then the Demar trade happened and that guaranteed the end of that dream. In general, accommodating Demar's game requires Keegan to do a lot less. Demar needs those spots, and while Demar can do some playmaking, he's not adept at finding cutters in the interior. He's much more of a drive and kick playmaker, so Keegan's shooting woes are making the Keegan/Demar fit even worse. Can't blame Demar for Keegan's shakey outside shooting, but it's pretty straightforward why the Keegan drives are less efficient next to Demar. There's just way less room in this offense for Keegan's game to grow, so until further notice, he'll have to live and die by his 3-point looks.

Defensively, Demar makes his life a bit harder as well. They give him the defensive dirty work, and now there's a lot mroe dirty to work covering for another wing liability. Harrison Barnes was actually trash on defense last year, but the Kings still made him do stuff. With Demar it's more undertood he has to be hidden, which means Keegan guarding more shooting guards so Demar can be stashed. I think the defense has been super solid, but I'd prefer him to be able to play closer to the rim, where he's a very solid extra rim defender who can make Sabonis less damaging.

There are things Keegan will probably never do. Play-make off the dribble or be a high volume pick & roll creator. He's not that find of player, he's an off-ball cutter, secondary driver, spot up guy who can be a big matchup problem with his power forward size and strong ability to score at the rim off drives and post ups. He also never turns the ball over.