Another dive, another injury (Jaden Ivey suffers broken fibula)

[The Master]

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I love competitiveness nor I have much negative to say about Anthony, but how many injuries we've seen in the recent years after uncontrolled dives? Westbrook, Curry, LeBron, among others.

I have no idea if and how rules should and could be changed, perhaps they can't nor should, at least I can't imagine a solution, but it's becoming the single most dangerous play in the basketball after Zaza rule was introduced.

I don't want to blame Anthony, based on his reaction he definitely wasn't targeting anyone, but objectively speaking - in most cases these plays are unnecessary and reckless.

I just wish players get smarter in what situations they should actually dive.

Prayers for Ivey.

ps

Don't post anything about soft era, the dude was taken off the court on the stretcher.

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[ForeverTFC]

Unfortunate but Anthony did nothing wrong here. He didn’t dive late and it was pretty much a 50/50 ball. How can you regulate this play?

[BigGargamel]

This was reckless and short sighted, not dirty, but I dunno, I don't want players to stop trying hard. It was just a very unfortunate circumstance for Ivey. I feel bad for him.

The worst thing to do would be to take diving for the ball out of the game, or even try to regulate it. Then we get the same mess the NFL has with roughing the passer penalties.

[JimmyPlopper]

Hope Ivey is okay. Looked like a bad injury but it was not malicious as much as it was bad luck (IMO)

[Dr Aki]

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

[The Master]

The worst thing to do would be to take diving for the ball out of the game, or even try to regulate it. Then we get the same mess the NFL has with roughing the passer penalties.

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

I believe rule changes in this area are worthy of discussion, but have no idea how it could be introduced or interpreted. In this play, Anthony wasn't that much late, but putting your upper body into the opponents legs is just super risky.

Anyway, players are more athletic, game is getting faster and faster, it's not that surprising these contacts may cause more injuries (even if that's still sporadic).

[SlimShady83]

Hope he Is ok. F Injuries.

[Myth]

The worst thing to do would be to take diving for the ball out of the game, or even try to regulate it. Then we get the same mess the NFL has with roughing the passer penalties.

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

I believe rule changes in this area are worthy of discussion, but have no idea how it could be introduced or interpreted. In this play, Anthony wasn't that much late, but putting your upper body into the opponents legs is just super risky.

Anyway, players are more athletic, game is getting faster and faster, it's not that surprising these contacts may cause more injuries (even if that's still sporadic).

I think the simple way is to say diving and making contact with another player’s legs is a flagrant, much like stepping under a jump shot is.

[kulaz3000]

Unfortunate but Anthony did nothing wrong here. He didn’t dive late and it was pretty much a 50/50 ball. How can you regulate this play?

I agree with this. This was a 50/50 ball. You can't enforce a rule where you don't allow a player to even react for a loose ball, that would be absolutely stupid. As Cole was diving for the ball, Jaden was going after the ball too, and they collided. This isn't a situation where a secondary player came in late.

It's just bad luck, it happens. You can't set rules to avoid every type of injury in this game, then you're left with a league where players are just jogging around and shooting the ball, and hell, even then, there will be injuries that occur.

[chilluminati]

Ivey drives and plays with the intensity of a bull in a china shop, his falls always look way worse than they are, but tonight it was as bad as it looked.

All the best to Jaden, hopefully it's not as bad as we're all expecting. Beasley will get most of the minutes but the bright side to this is more time for Sasser to burn.

[ForeverTFC]

The worst thing to do would be to take diving for the ball out of the game, or even try to regulate it. Then we get the same mess the NFL has with roughing the passer penalties.

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

I believe rule changes in this area are worthy of discussion, but have no idea how it could be introduced or interpreted. In this play, Anthony wasn't that much late, but putting your upper body into the opponents legs is just super risky.

Anyway, players are more athletic, game is getting faster and faster, it's not that surprising these contacts may cause more injuries (even if that's still sporadic).

I think the simple way is to say diving and making contact with another player’s legs is a flagrant, much like stepping under a jump shot is.

What you guys are describing is already a foul and would likely be a flagrant. This situation is very different: when Anthony dove in that direction, Ivey was not there. The only way to outlaw this is to say diving is not allowed. And that’s pretty ridiculous.

[SOUL]

Hoping for the best for Ivey. Did not look good at all and I hated seeing him down in pain the way he was

Agreed with most of the posts in this thread - it's hard to regulate when it's okay to dive for a ball and the injury risk of it all. The team was down, he dove to backtap it and they both reacted at the same time - the wide-screen replay of it shows that. Players dive every game and 99% of the time nobody is having a major injury from it. I get why Pistons fans would be pissed or annoyed though - a promising young player being hurt because of an effort play that didn't "technically" have to be made, but did.

What's actually more dangerous and happens way more often are players sliding underneath trying to draw a charge in the paint while a player is in the air.

[jbk1234]

The worst thing to do would be to take diving for the ball out of the game, or even try to regulate it. Then we get the same mess the NFL has with roughing the passer penalties.

There are explicit rules against diving at a football players legs this in rugby union, like get sent off (yellow/red card) rules because that **** is so dangerous and shooting 200 lbs of force into a players knees or legs is liable to injuring people.

I believe rule changes in this area are worthy of discussion, but have no idea how it could be introduced or interpreted. In this play, Anthony wasn't that much late, but putting your upper body into the opponents legs is just super risky.

Anyway, players are more athletic, game is getting faster and faster, it's not that surprising these contacts may cause more injuries (even if that's still sporadic).

I think the simple way is to say diving and making contact with another player’s legs is a flagrant, much like stepping under a jump shot is.

Just make diving for the ball illegal then.

[Wargreymon]

Honestly I don’t blame Cole Anthony there. It looked like a hustle play in the replay. I don’t see any ill intent. Prayers for Pistons fans and hopefully Ivey recovers quickly

[JayMKE]

Just an unfortunate accident, injuries will always happen tho. Can’t tell players they can’t dive for the ball.

[ItsDanger]

It's a reckless play by Anthony. Not sure how you police that though.

[threethehardway]

Diving on the floor around a player's legs is a stupid high school play.

If I saw a player diving around my legs, I would kick them in the face. I bet they won't dive again. Protecting my livelihood would be worth the suspension and the reputation of a dirty player.

I hate hustle players. Get a real skill.

[Myth]

I believe rule changes in this area are worthy of discussion, but have no idea how it could be introduced or interpreted. In this play, Anthony wasn't that much late, but putting your upper body into the opponents legs is just super risky.

Anyway, players are more athletic, game is getting faster and faster, it's not that surprising these contacts may cause more injuries (even if that's still sporadic).

I think the simple way is to say diving and making contact with another player’s legs is a flagrant, much like stepping under a jump shot is.

What you guys are describing is already a foul and would likely be a flagrant. This situation is very different: when Anthony dove in that direction, Ivey was not there. The only way to outlaw this is to say diving is not allowed. And that’s pretty ridiculous.

He absolutely dove because Ivey was closer to the ball and it was his only chance to get there before him. Ivey didn’t just magically appear between him and the ball. This should be easy to enforce and I disagree that it would be ridiculous to enforce this as a flagrant.

[threethehardway]

I watched it again, this wasn't a dive for the ball, it was a tackle.

Ivey basically had position and possession of the ball and this idiot tackles him.

[Myth]

It's a reckless play by Anthony. Not sure how you police that though.

They call flagrants for recklessness with arms hitting heads, why would it be so hard to do the same with bodies recklessly hitting legs?