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He has to get out of there ASAP. An addition of AD is a championship puzzle piece for a lot of teams. He’s easily one of the best big men we’ve seen and still under appreciated and underrated. Love watching this dude play. Had some very nice moments against the Spurs last night and had me thinking about how good he’s been for YEARS. One of the most versatile big men we’ve seen in a long time. Taking guys off the dribble, rim runner, floaters in the lane, jab steps, footwork, changes or deters like 30 shots a game. Plays nonstop defense while cleaning up everyone’s mistakes and expected to score the ball. Appreciate what you’re watching.

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He's a top10 guy who won a title with the Lakers and made it to the WCF - could've been better, could've been worse, we had better players with worse career outcomes.

And we have enough data to know that he's not an MVP candidate level, so it's hard to run a narrative that he's underachieving while playing for the Lakers, especially considering in 21-23 seasons he missed like 45% of the games.

He was the best player during the title run
Throughout that playoffs
LeBron was better in the finals when he gunned for fmvp, but it really wasn’t a series against that injured heat team.


I definitely think he is undervalued but there’s no way the lakers would trade him.

We saw what he could do alone… which contender is going to trade for him and offer a package that would appease the Lakers without including their 1A/B

he's gonna be a forgotten "all time" type of guy

like yeah he'll get brought up of "oh yeah this dude was good" but he'll never really be thought of as "that legend"

think of dudes like George Gervin, Elvin Hayes, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, etc. these guys were awesome, never won MVPs, were maybe secondary on their teams. That's who AD is in today's context.

art_tatum wrote:He was the best player during the title run
Throughout that playoffs
LeBron was better in the finals when he gunned for fmvp, but it really wasn’t a series against that injured heat team.


I definitely think he is undervalued but there’s no way the lakers would trade him.

He’s been their best player since arriving. Have they won a playoff game without him since he’s arrived? Dude is doing it all while also be doubled on most nights.

Godymas wrote:he's gonna be a forgotten "all time" type of guy

like yeah he'll get brought up of "oh yeah this dude was good" but he'll never really be thought of as "that legend"

think of dudes like George Gervin, Elvin Hayes, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, etc. these guys were awesome, never won MVPs, were maybe secondary on their teams. That's who AD is in today's context.

I think the modern MVP awards will be looked at differently in a few years. Iggy being picked over Curry says it all. From that point on, it was devalued and should be looked upon with a large degree of skepticism.

Godymas wrote:he's gonna be a forgotten "all time" type of guy

like yeah he'll get brought up of "oh yeah this dude was good" but he'll never really be thought of as "that legend"

think of dudes like George Gervin, Elvin Hayes, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, etc. these guys were awesome, never won MVPs, were maybe secondary on their teams. That's who AD is in today's context.

You really have Cowens over Hondo in 74?

And Gervin, secondary on his team?

I think he's one of those guys where he's as much to blame as he is a victim for not being on a contending team. The Lakers path to contention post-prime LeBron was for AD to take that next step into superstardom. He's a great player, but he's just not at that level. If he was, then with LeBron still playing well at his age and some decent role players the Lakers might be contenders

Kinda how I felt about Damian Lillard his last few years in Portland

Saints14 wrote:I think he's one of those guys where he's as much to blame as he is a victim for not being on a contending team. The Lakers path to contention post-prime LeBron was for AD to take that next step into superstardom. He's a great player, but he's just not at that level. If he was, then with LeBron still playing well at his age and some decent role players the Lakers might be contenders

Kinda how I felt about Damian Lillard his last few years in Portland

He needs decent players around him - period. He doesn’t have ANYONE around him playing defense at all. AD is a superstar when it comes to production and impact for sure. He’ll never get that with Lebron there though. AD is for sure that dude tho.

AD will go down as a massive underachiever considering his skill set. I thought this guy was going to be generational. Somehow he ended up less than the sum of his parts.

I have been watching lots of Lakers games this season, and hes been phenomenal. I always kinda underrated him, he was that second tier star in my head, and I guess he is that, but he is right there just after few top MVP candidates, if he had healthier career, he could be MVP, maybe there is still time, but yeah, Lakers around him, is just not a top tier team anymore.

Trade him for Durant

I don't think it's just health, I think AD is missing that "something" to be the leader of your team, night in and night out.

I think he can potentially be the best player on your team but he needs to be paired with a real alpha/lead type, if you want your team to have any success.

Lakers need another big. AD needs help! And Hayes/Koloko are not it.

Godymas wrote:he's gonna be a forgotten "all time" type of guy

like yeah he'll get brought up of "oh yeah this dude was good" but he'll never really be thought of as "that legend"

think of dudes like George Gervin, Elvin Hayes, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, etc. these guys were awesome, never won MVPs, were maybe secondary on their teams. That's who AD is in today's context.

Elgin Baylor still holds the record for most points scored in a finals game.

Havlicek won 2 championships after Russell retired.

He's really not, he's just not that guy. He gets a crazy amount of points and rebounds just like he did in New Orleans and it led to nothing. I think LeBron is really just trying to prove a point to anyone that feels AD is "That Guy".

I mean, this is what he wanted. Or Klutch. Or LeBron. Whatever. He's not a lead dog. He's fine hiding behind LeBron and just putting up stats.

dhsilv2 wrote:

Godymas wrote:he's gonna be a forgotten "all time" type of guy

like yeah he'll get brought up of "oh yeah this dude was good" but he'll never really be thought of as "that legend"

think of dudes like George Gervin, Elvin Hayes, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, etc. these guys were awesome, never won MVPs, were maybe secondary on their teams. That's who AD is in today's context.

You really have Cowens over Hondo in 74?

And Gervin, secondary on his team?

this is why i have you blocked (and now know to never bother to read your posts again)

see how it says "maybe secondary on their team"

learn nuance

Godymas wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

Godymas wrote:he's gonna be a forgotten "all time" type of guy

like yeah he'll get brought up of "oh yeah this dude was good" but he'll never really be thought of as "that legend"

think of dudes like George Gervin, Elvin Hayes, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, etc. these guys were awesome, never won MVPs, were maybe secondary on their teams. That's who AD is in today's context.

You really have Cowens over Hondo in 74?

And Gervin, secondary on his team?

this is why i have you blocked (and now know to never bother to read your posts again)

see how it says "maybe secondary on their team"

learn nuance

A finals MVP who was a top 5 getting in MVP votes and NBA champion is not "maybe secondary on their team". It's not nuance, it's just factually false.