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Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:06 pm
by uncleduck13
First off, Jimmy Butler is a significantly better player than Bradley Beal. Second, he fits so much better alongside KD and Book. With Beal, there was far too much redundancy. Beal was pretty much an 80% replica of Booker. Jimmy is different. He adds a different dynamic. Stylistically he isn't even close to the other two. Sure, he loves the middy, but he knows how to get his in other spaces too. He won't create nearly as much conflict on the offensive end. Defensively is where he truly shines with this team. Never has he played alongside two guys that can carry the scoring load and put him in position to focus mainly on defense. He's always had to do so much on offense, to the point where his defense is compromised. This won't be the issue in Phoenix. He instantly becomes their best perimeter defender, while still being able to give them the 17-19ppg that Beal provided. Him not having to carry such a load offensively, is going to allow him to be fresh and enhance his performance in the playoffs and actually SUSTAIN it for an ENTIRE run. Also, Jimmy is a 'culture' within himself. He'll add that dog/toughness/leadership that this team has always been missing. I know the Big 3 formula may not be successful anymore... but the Suns with Jimmy would surely have the best 3 headed monster in the league. By far.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:10 pm
by NoDopeOnSundays
uncleduck13 wrote:First off, Jimmy Butler is a significantly better player than Bradley Beal. Second, he fits so much better alongside KD and Book. With Beal, there was far too much redundancy. Beal was pretty much an 80% replica of Booker. Jimmy is different. He adds a different dynamic. Stylistically he isn't even close to the other two. Sure, he loves the middy, but he knows how to get his in other spaces too. He won't create nearly as much conflict on the offensive end. Defensively is where he truly shines with this team. Never has he played alongside two guys that can carry the scoring load and put him in position to focus mainly on defense. He's always had to do so much on offense, to the point where his defense is compromised. This won't be the issue in Phoenix. He instantly becomes their best perimeter defender, while still being able to give them the 17-19ppg that Beal provided. Him not having to carry such a load offensively, is going to allow him to be fresh and enhance his performance in the playoffs and actually SUSTAIN it for an ENTIRE run. Also, Jimmy is a 'culture' within himself. He'll add that dog/toughness/leadership that this team has always been missing. I know the Big 3 formula may not be successful anymore... but the Suns with Jimmy would surely have the best 3 headed monster in the league. By far.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:11 pm
by sashaturiaf
Just Jimmy by himself? Nah Suns issues are deeper than that
Jimmy plus a playable big/big wing? I wouldn't want to play Suns in the playoffs. Beal is an non entity right now(a combination of sulking/injured/completely redundant skill wise with Booker) so you wouldn't be replacing him with Jimmy. You'd be adding Jimmy
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:15 pm
by tsherkin
Eh. Hard to imagine him fixing them being a bottom-6 defense. Hard to imagine him playing 70+ games for the third time in his career. A bit interesting to see if he makes 60+ this season. Wasn't around in the playoffs last year for health reasons. Is worth noting that he'd struggle to find a place, because he doesn't really do SF anymore, and neither does Durant; both spend most of their time at the 4.
Two of JImmy's last 3 postseasons also haven't been total stunners.
"Instant contenders" is probably significant hyperbole.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:26 pm
by Texas Chuck
Nobody is pretending.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:28 pm
by mastermixer
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:uncleduck13 wrote:First off, Jimmy Butler is a significantly better player than Bradley Beal. Second, he fits so much better alongside KD and Book. With Beal, there was far too much redundancy. Beal was pretty much an 80% replica of Booker. Jimmy is different. He adds a different dynamic. Stylistically he isn't even close to the other two. Sure, he loves the middy, but he knows how to get his in other spaces too. He won't create nearly as much conflict on the offensive end. Defensively is where he truly shines with this team. Never has he played alongside two guys that can carry the scoring load and put him in position to focus mainly on defense. He's always had to do so much on offense, to the point where his defense is compromised. This won't be the issue in Phoenix. He instantly becomes their best perimeter defender, while still being able to give them the 17-19ppg that Beal provided. Him not having to carry such a load offensively, is going to allow him to be fresh and enhance his performance in the playoffs and actually SUSTAIN it for an ENTIRE run. Also, Jimmy is a 'culture' within himself. He'll add that dog/toughness/leadership that this team has always been missing. I know the Big 3 formula may not be successful anymore... but the Suns with Jimmy would surely have the best 3 headed monster in the league. By far.
The crazy thing is even looking at the pic with hindsight I’m like “damn that’s a SQUAD!”
Lol
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:28 pm
by Damkac
Didn't know that Suns owner has an account here.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:30 pm
by floppymoose
Suns are not contenders with Butler. I hope this trade happens.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:32 pm
by mkot
Not one Suns fan on RealGM is thrill to add Jimmy. Not one. Not me.
Most of us are in shamble
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:33 pm
by jasonxxx102
Ok let's think honestly, who could the suns legitimately beat in a playoff series?
Thunder - no
Nuggets - probably not
Mavs - healthy no
Rockets - no
Grizzlies - no
Clippers/Wolves/Lakers - maybe
Not even close to a contender
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:36 pm
by jasonxxx102
uncleduck13 wrote:but the Suns with Jimmy would surely have the best 3 headed monster in the league. By far.
also just lol at this.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:42 pm
by Bank Shot
He'll sit out half of the remaining regular season games with minor injuries and the Suns will end up in the play-in. I guess he makes them dangerous in the fight to get spanked by the Thunder in R1.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:49 pm
by JustBuzzin
Butler scorer
KD scorer
Booker scorer
What could go wrong...
That team needs a point guard. Your 3 best players all need the ball. Nobody is facilitating to those guys.
Maybe if they got CP3 in the buyout I can see this working, but they steal have the same issues they have with Beal. Butler is not the right player for the Suns.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:53 pm
by cgf
With how weak the top of the west is they might win a series if they can avoid OKC.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:01 pm
by ciueli
mastermixer wrote:
The crazy thing is even looking at the pic with hindsight I’m like “damn that’s a SQUAD!”
Lol
It is until you realize KG averaged 6.5 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 1.5 APG with 46.7% True Shooting, playing 54 games and 20.5 MPG his first season with Brooklyn, he was washed already. Pierce was better but had definitely moved into the "solid role player" phase of his career, while Joe Johnson and Deron Williams were past the "best star on a good team" phase of their careers (both fell off hard not long after that season). Lopez was a 1x All-Star in his career (that season), so really not the collection of talent that people thought at the time.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:06 pm
by Bornstellar
He doesn't though. He doesn't fix their depth. He doesn't fix their lack of any real bigs that can provide a defensive presence. He doesn't fix their lack of PG play. He just adds another old, injury prone dude that needs the ball in his hands to be effective
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:11 pm
by Jadoogar
Butler is honestly not that much better than Beal at this point. I don't think he makes them a contender at all.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:14 pm
by dirkdiggler4177
Durant and him are just too old at 36 with potential injuries. They are also missing a center and don't have much wing depth. They might have one good playoff run in them, but it won't be this year, and next year both Durant and Jimmy will be 37, and their payroll will be huge with space for free agents.
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:17 pm
by SunsLyf3
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:uncleduck13 wrote:First off, Jimmy Butler is a significantly better player than Bradley Beal. Second, he fits so much better alongside KD and Book. With Beal, there was far too much redundancy. Beal was pretty much an 80% replica of Booker. Jimmy is different. He adds a different dynamic. Stylistically he isn't even close to the other two. Sure, he loves the middy, but he knows how to get his in other spaces too. He won't create nearly as much conflict on the offensive end. Defensively is where he truly shines with this team. Never has he played alongside two guys that can carry the scoring load and put him in position to focus mainly on defense. He's always had to do so much on offense, to the point where his defense is compromised. This won't be the issue in Phoenix. He instantly becomes their best perimeter defender, while still being able to give them the 17-19ppg that Beal provided. Him not having to carry such a load offensively, is going to allow him to be fresh and enhance his performance in the playoffs and actually SUSTAIN it for an ENTIRE run. Also, Jimmy is a 'culture' within himself. He'll add that dog/toughness/leadership that this team has always been missing. I know the Big 3 formula may not be successful anymore... but the Suns with Jimmy would surely have the best 3 headed monster in the league. By far.
Not going to say Suns would be favorites but KD alone has more talent than those 5 pictured combined at the respective points in their careers(BK big 5 vs KD current).
Re: Tired of pretending Jimmy doesn't make the Suns instant contenders
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:23 pm
by jbsays
He plays better with a chip on his shoulder as long as he's not sulking. So, I imagine he'll go out this season. He'll take some games off, but less than last couple of years. But, he's also 35, load managed last year, and missed the playoffs. There's a lot that can happen and he's at the age where bad things start happening more frequently.