The 'Jokic has no help' narrative sure came and went

[Sharkboy242]

In their last 10 games...

MPJ: 24.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 43.1 3P%
Murray: 26 points / 6.7 assists / 3.8 rebounds
CB: 19.5 points / 7.2 rebounds / 3.4 assists

Remember all the RealGMers saying Denver has the worst FO and is absolutely failing Jokic? Remember everyone saying Nuggets are cooked in November?

[Woodsanity]

The "help":

Jamal Murray: PER 17.7, BPM .7
MPJ: PER 17.1, BPM .5
WB: PER 15.5, BPM .1
Braun: PER 15.8, BPM 0
Aaron Gordon: PER 16.1, BPM .8

vs

Jokic: PER: 33.1, BPM 14

The help sure is helping.

[zero rings]

I mean, he did have no help for the first ~30 games of the season. No lies were told.

And I wouldn’t start taking victory laps just yet. The Nuggets have been on a roll but they’re feasting on bad teams. The schedule gets really tough after the break, so let’s see how they handle it down the stretch.

[Slimjimzv]

In their last 10 games...

MPJ: 24.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 43.1 3P%
Murray: 26 points / 6.7 assists / 3.8 rebounds
CB: 19.5 points / 7.2 rebounds / 3.4 assists

Remember all the RealGMers saying Denver has the worst FO and is absolutely failing Jokic? Remember everyone saying Nuggets are cooked in November?

I still think the front office has failed Jokic. If this team makes a playoff run, I'm happy to admit being wrong, but when you have the best player on the planet, you should be a favorite to win the title, and the Nuggets are not likely to come out of the West. A 10 game stretch in January/February does nothing to change my mind.

[EmpireFalls]

Spoiler:

Jokic fanboys trying to pump up his MVP case and glaze him until their throats give out. Many, many, many such cases.

Weird post.

[UglyBugBall]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

[zero rings]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again.

That’s funny considering your boy Luka is literally Harden but worse on offense.

[Sharkboy242]

In their last 10 games...

MPJ: 24.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 43.1 3P%
Murray: 26 points / 6.7 assists / 3.8 rebounds
CB: 19.5 points / 7.2 rebounds / 3.4 assists

Remember all the RealGMers saying Denver has the worst FO and is absolutely failing Jokic? Remember everyone saying Nuggets are cooked in November?

I still think the front office has failed Jokic. If this team makes a playoff run, I'm happy to admit being wrong, but when you have the best player on the planet, you should be a favorite to win the title, and the Nuggets are not likely to come out of the West. A 10 game stretch in January/February does nothing to change my mind.

They already won a championship and he still has another 5 years left. This isn't the old NBA, there's way more talent now and the CBA landscape makes it harder for dominant teams to remain dominant. Your expectations are just not realistic.

[Tor_Raps]

So Jokic has found a way to stay with Denver and keep a great/positive attitude while putting up historic numbers.

This is how you do it and not run away to the next team because they have a new shiny star/superstar to help with your legacy.

[Sharkboy242]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

Championship teams need more than one dominant player to win championships? Riveting insights bud.

[UglyBugBall]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again.

That’s funny considering your boy Luka is literally Harden but worse on offense.

Luka is a legit hard-carry player. He's better than Harden on offense and defense. He proves it in the playoffs, where guys like Harden go to embarrass themselves. Top 3 playoff scorer in history. Give Luka the Nuggets and they'd have 2 rings, but he'd probably have less MVP's because he does his work when it matters.

[Slimjimzv]

In their last 10 games...

MPJ: 24.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 43.1 3P%
Murray: 26 points / 6.7 assists / 3.8 rebounds
CB: 19.5 points / 7.2 rebounds / 3.4 assists

Remember all the RealGMers saying Denver has the worst FO and is absolutely failing Jokic? Remember everyone saying Nuggets are cooked in November?

I still think the front office has failed Jokic. If this team makes a playoff run, I'm happy to admit being wrong, but when you have the best player on the planet, you should be a favorite to win the title, and the Nuggets are not likely to come out of the West. A 10 game stretch in January/February does nothing to change my mind.

They already won a championship and he still has another 5 years left. This isn't the old NBA, there's way more talent now and the CBA landscape makes it harder for dominant teams to remain dominant. Your expectations are just not realistic.

Maybe not. My opinion is only an opinion and subject to being wrong. But it doesn't feel to me like Denver has committed as much as they could have to surrounding Jokic with talent. I hope you're right. I really like the guy, and I like most of the players on that team.

[UglyBugBall]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

Championship teams need more than one dominant player to win championships? Riveting insights bud.

The real MVP's in the past either carried their teams to a near top seed or didn't get awarded MVP. Jokic has been getting awards for absolute empty stat team mediocrity in the regular season.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

The Nuggets bench had 3 points last night

[nomansland]

Not going to crow yet.

Most of the team has looked good recently, but it's been against inferior competition. At least they're winning the games they should, with sporadic absences from Watson, Westbrook, Gordon and Porter.

Nnaji and Pickett have been surprisingly legit. Murray and Braun have been great.

They have a very tough stretch coming up, so let's see.

[Sharkboy242]

So Jokic has found a way to stay with Denver and keep a great/positive attitude while putting up historic numbers. This is how you do it and not run away to the next team because they have a new shiny star/superstar to help with your legacy.

Exactly. If you take the logical conclusion of people who constantly advocate for "X great player needs to go here to win", then all the top players in the league should be teaming up and creating super teams. We'd all love that, right?

[QPR]

Braun and MPJ both benefit from Jokic"s gravity enormously. Neither are shot creators. Weird thread as it just amplifies Jokic's greatness.

[Woodsanity]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

Luka is literally a homeless man's Jokic dude let it rest.

[Stan]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

This is genuinely one of the worst takes I've read in a while. You type all this out like Murray wasn't out injured in 2021 & 2022, nobody was carrying that Nuggets squad deep in the playoffs. Since he's reached his peak he's had Murray & MPJ for 2 playoff runs, won a title in one, lost in Game 7 in the 2nd round in the other, a series Murray averaged 18 ppg on 48%TS, so not a bad run of results.

It's also ironic you criticize Jokic for "just" being the 6th seed in a year Murray & MPJ both missed the season, while Luka straight up missed the playoffs in 2023 lol.

[Sharkboy242]

This board is completely delusional about Jokic. The guy won an MVP as a freakin' 6 seed. He's flamed out of the playoffs every year except for one run when Murray played like an all-star. He's been to the WCF less than Luka has and he has MPJ and Murray as teammates. He's a great offensive engine that is a black hole on defense. He's Harden, but better on offense. Probably even worse on defense since he plays the most important defensive position in the game. He's can't compete without Murray putting up all-star numbers, and you see the result whenever Murray is injured or under-performing. The team tanks, but Jokic still gets his numbers. He doesn't have a killer mentality, he can't carry a team unless he's surrounded by talent, and he's one of the most boring players to ever watch. Can't wait until this guy retires so the real stars can finally get their due. He isn't winning another ring ever again. He's been lucky that the guy that's been competing against him in Embiid was one of the biggest superstar busts in history. Jokic looks good next to him.

Championship teams need more than one dominant player to win championships? Riveting insights bud.

The real MVP's in the past either carried their teams to a near top seed or didn't get awarded MVP. Jokic has been getting awards for absolute empty stat team mediocrity in the regular season.

The average seed of the Nuggets since the end of the 2019 season has been 2.8. Can't wait for you to move the goalpost in your reply.