Andrew Bogut

[UcanUwill]

Andre Bogut was number one pick in 2005. At a time, I didn't follow NBA closely as I barely spoke English. But I always wondered, what were expectations of him as number one pick? I believe he supposed to be all around scoring center, but at the end, he kind off just became a defensive center with passing skills, good pick and roll finishing, but never was a big star. I know he had injuries, but would you say Bogut was a big disappointment? Was 2005 draft perceived as very weak draft? It had Paul and Deron Williams, but some guys at the top there really did not pan out.

[brutalitops]

If you told someone that a guy as talented as him who would have as much injuries as he would cop will still get an All NBA selection, all defense team selection and be an NBA champion with 4 healthy seasons, You would take it

Yeah wasn't the best player out of his draft, but was a justified pick 1.

[zimpy27]

Bogut was a 2-way big coming out of the draft but landed on the Bucks, which had the worst perimeter playmaking in the league for his whole tenure there. Bogut could pass but they never made him center of the offense like Jokic is now used. Boguts comp is Marc Gasol honestly, he was that level.

Bogut really made impact on defense, he was elite in ways we only see now through RAPM impact stats and the Bucks were only competitive because of the defense.

But yeah Bogut could do everything to an average degree on offense besides perimeter shooting and he was elite on defense. Number 1 for D-RAPM elite pre-injury. The major injury derailed his career though, he still managed to salvage some on the Warriors and he did teach Draymond on defense.

He was all-NBA pre-injury and of Bucks managed to find someone that could average more than 5 assists a game then he'd continue to be All-NBA for several seasons without injury.

[Wargreymon]

Even with injury he still accomplished more than guys like Kwame Brown, Andrea Bargnani, James Wiseman, Greg Oden, Anthony Bennett. Good pick

[Pantsman]

He was drafted back in the dumb era back when teams thought you needed a big post center to win. He had a great back half of his career though when he reinvented himself as a dirty work big on the warriors.

[brutalitops]

He was drafted back in the dumb era back when teams thought you needed a big post center to win. He had a great back half of his career though when he reinvented himself as a dirty work big on the warriors.

Wasn't dumb, You had Garnett/Duncan/Shaq to get through in the west alone. You needed at the very least an all star level center to win. There was only 5 Finals MVP winners in a good 16 year stretch, Jordan, Billups, then You had Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem, And Wallace probably got his/cemented his HOF entry because of how well he guarded Shaq in 2004.

[dans1230]

It wasnt a great draft, obviously CP3 would have been a better choice followed by Deron Williams probably. It was a justified pick if Mil was looking for a big and i dont recall too many complaints at the time.

[GiannisAnte34]

I think the pick was justified at the time, can’t fault management for drafting Bogut in that spot

[Stanq]

Great big men that, like many with a big body, suffered from injuries. Good passer, great defender. Master of moving screens.

[UcanUwill]

Great big men that, like many with a big body, suffered from injuries. Good passer, great defender. Master of moving screens.

Quoting you, but question to everyone. What was his ceiling if he didn't have injuries then? Do you guys think he could have been a big star, or not really? Personally, I never really saw that amazing potential, thats why I made the thread, I always wondered why exactly he was first overall pick.

What was his pre draft comp?

[LockoutSeason]

He was expected to be a Duncan level franchise center. It became apparent that he wasn’t that guy early on due to his limited scoring ability. He still had valuable skills on the right team which is why the Warriors traded fan favorite Monta Ellis for him.

[Stanq]

Great big men that, like many with a big body, suffered from injuries. Good passer, great defender. Master of moving screens.

Quoting you, but question to everyone. What was his ceiling if he didn't have injuries then? Do you guys think he could have been a big star, or not really? Personally, I never really saw that amazing potential, thats why I made the thread, I always wondered why exactly he was first overall pick.

What was his pre draft comp?

Another poster mentioned Marc Gasol and I think that is a great comp. He was big, good passer and great defender. Could def anchor a top defense, but wasn't too mobile.

[Bloodbather]

Great big men that, like many with a big body, suffered from injuries. Good passer, great defender. Master of moving screens.

Quoting you, but question to everyone. What was his ceiling if he didn't have injuries then? Do you guys think he could have been a big star, or not really? Personally, I never really saw that amazing potential, thats why I made the thread, I always wondered why exactly he was first overall pick.

What was his pre draft comp?

I think his post scoring at the college level got overhyped. He had size and a solid touch, but he wasn't this crafty post master and he didn't have a jump shot to be effective from the high post. He went #1 because he if he did go on to become a good scorer he'd be a very complete center - great defender, great screen setter, good passer, etc.

Once it became clear that his scoring wouldn't be at a high level, it was clear that he wouldn't be a franchise player/perennial All-Star type. Might have been an All-Star a couple of times without the injuries, though, he was at that level when he had that terrible landing injury.

Marc Gasol is a really good comparison, but Marc did have a jump shot to lean on.

[Sofia]

He was expected to be a Duncan level franchise center. It became apparent that he wasn’t that guy early on due to his limited scoring ability. He still had valuable skills on the right team which is why the Warriors traded fan favorite Monta Ellis for him.

Duncan level expectation is a bit high, considering Duncan was already an MVP and 3 time champ.

Edit: Vlade was the comparison (typical for a Slavic big white man with skill)

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/andrew-bogut/

Strengths:
Quite possibly the top player of his class…Has an NBA-ready game…Exceptional
fundamentals…Always plays with a high level of intensity…Devastating
drop-step…Can shoot jump-hook with either hand…McHale-esque footwork on the
block…Very sharp mechanics on his jumper…Can shoot the ball out to 18
feet…Can handle the ball well for a 7-footer…Very creative in establishing
his positioning…Shoots an incredibly high percentage from the floor (64% this
season)…Unbelievable passer out of the double/triple-team…Stellar court
vision…A monster on the glass…Possibly the best rebounder (offensive and
defensive) in college basketball…Catches everything…Good one-on-one
defender…Isnt intimidated by anyone (in fact, he does most of the
intimidating)…Condor wingspan…Improving on his help defense, which accounts
for his higher shot-blocking numbers…A coach’s dream…About 10X better than
he was last season (and he was no slouch as a freshman, either)…Exceptional
lower body strength…Has dominated at the international level before committing
to Utah..High mental/physical toughness…Doesn’t get rattled easily…Has
plenty of upside remaining…The sky is the limit…Played well against Tim
Duncan during the summer Olympics…

Weaknesses: Has put up terrific
numbers in a lackluster conference (the Mountain West is far weaker in 2004-2005
than it has been in the past)…Will have to assume a high workload for one of
the worst teams in the NBA next season…Questions to how he will react to being
a high lottery pick after spending the last two seasons in relative
obscurity…Lackluster lateral foot speed (but not as slow as some say he
is)…Not an explosive leaper…Room for improvement at the free throw
line…Decent in the open court, but not outstanding…Occasionally, falls in
love with the same post move (simply because nobody in the MWC can defend
him)…Will need to take his lumps against the Duncans, Garnetts, and Nowitzki’s
of the world.

[giberish]

Great big men that, like many with a big body, suffered from injuries. Good passer, great defender. Master of moving screens.

Quoting you, but question to everyone. What was his ceiling if he didn't have injuries then? Do you guys think he could have been a big star, or not really? Personally, I never really saw that amazing potential, thats why I made the thread, I always wondered why exactly he was first overall pick.

What was his pre draft comp?

Without injuries I'd say he looked to be a great defender who was also a solid contributor on offense. Not really a 1st or even 2nd option for scoring but solid secondary scoring along with screening and passing. Impact-wise sort of a center version of Andre Iguodala.

[slicedbread2]

Marc Gasol as a comp is a very appropriate place for Bogut.

During his time in Milwaukee, the Bucks were truly brutal. They didn't take CP3 because they already had T.J. Ford whom they thought could be salvaged despite suffering a neck injury that ultimately ended his career in San Antonio. Once he wasn't that guy, they traded him to Toronto for Charlie Villanueva who wasn't a bad fit next to Bogut and it sucked that he left to go to Detroit but oh well.

Another thing that ruined his time in Milwaukee was the Bucks were always striving to stay mid, but ended up doing poorly only to get screwed by the lotto gods in 2007 and 2008. They drafted Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander who were forwards and flopped so badly that they were gone from the league in a few years time. In fairness, there weren't many guys left who would've been better as all the BPA's played the same spot as Bogut. The gm somehow managed to turn draft bust Yi and contract year Bobby Simmons into Richard Jefferson which was impressive.

As others alluded, Bogut never really had an elite guard to play with. Redd got injured as Bogut started to blossom which was a shame and Jennings looked promising, but after the injury it really ruined a lot of his game offensively.

Little fun note: the same GM (John Hammond) who whiffed on those 2 picks was able to stay until 2016-17 and was able to draft Giannis while swindling Khris Middleton from an out of touch Joe Dumars. The Bucks managed to pull a Homer and win it all in spite of themselves.

[UcanUwill]

Marc Gasol as a comp is a very appropriate place for Bogut.

During his time in Milwaukee, the Bucks were truly brutal. They didn't take CP3 because they already had T.J. Ford whom they thought could be salvaged despite suffering a neck injury that ultimately ended his career in San Antonio. Once he wasn't that guy, they traded him to Toronto for Charlie Villanueva who wasn't a bad fit next to Bogut and it sucked that he left to go to Detroit but oh well.

Another thing that ruined his time in Milwaukee was the Bucks were always striving to stay mid, but ended up doing poorly only to get screwed by the lotto gods in 2007 and 2008. They drafted Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander who were forwards and flopped so badly that they were gone from the league in a few years time. In fairness, there weren't many guys left who would've been better as all the BPA's played the same spot as Bogut. The gm somehow managed to turn draft bust Yi and contract year Bobby Simmons into Richard Jefferson which was impressive.

As others alluded, Bogut never really had an elite guard to play with. Redd got injured as Bogut started to blossom which was a shame and Jennings looked promising, but after the injury it really ruined a lot of his game offensively.

Little fun note: the same GM (John Hammond) who whiffed on those 2 picks was able to stay until 2016-17 and was able to draft Giannis while swindling Khris Middleton from an out of touch Joe Dumars. The Bucks managed to pull a Homer and win it all in spite of themselves.

Yi Jianlian is another good study, why was he so bad? A lot of people said that his jump shooting form was just way too slow for the NBA, but in FIBA, he used to look great. And I know on Chinese team, a lot of scrubs would stand out, but he looked really good to me, I still wonder how he would have done at least in Europe, I imagine he could have been very good, I was very surprised he busted out of the NBA so bad. Joe Alexander is another story, I saw him in Europe, and he was just nothing, couldn't do anything, he only had that vertical, but he was one of those guys who doesn't even play athletic, similar to Derrick Williams, Williams would do insane dunk when no one is around him, but during regular play around opponents, he didn't look athletic at all, just like Alexander.

[michaelm]

He was drafted back in the dumb era back when teams thought you needed a big post center to win. He had a great back half of his career though when he reinvented himself as a dirty work big on the warriors.

That is basically it, when he was drafted it was still the belief that a huge 7 foot center was required as the foundation stone of a team. I can remember him being called the white Dwight Howard, Dwight being the player on the cover of the sports magazines back then.

He was actually a 15/10 guy and useful offensively before the thing with Amare Stoudemire turned his shooting elbow into a bag of potato crisps. He did well to reinvent himself as a defensive player and was always a smart player, but he was still something of a dinosaur in the modern game whom the depleted Cavs managed to game plan off the court on the 2015 finals.

[JRoy]

He was drafted back in the dumb era back when teams thought you needed a big post center to win. He had a great back half of his career though when he reinvented himself as a dirty work big on the warriors.

“Dumb era”

[slicedbread2]

Marc Gasol as a comp is a very appropriate place for Bogut.

During his time in Milwaukee, the Bucks were truly brutal. They didn't take CP3 because they already had T.J. Ford whom they thought could be salvaged despite suffering a neck injury that ultimately ended his career in San Antonio. Once he wasn't that guy, they traded him to Toronto for Charlie Villanueva who wasn't a bad fit next to Bogut and it sucked that he left to go to Detroit but oh well.

Another thing that ruined his time in Milwaukee was the Bucks were always striving to stay mid, but ended up doing poorly only to get screwed by the lotto gods in 2007 and 2008. They drafted Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander who were forwards and flopped so badly that they were gone from the league in a few years time. In fairness, there weren't many guys left who would've been better as all the BPA's played the same spot as Bogut. The gm somehow managed to turn draft bust Yi and contract year Bobby Simmons into Richard Jefferson which was impressive.

As others alluded, Bogut never really had an elite guard to play with. Redd got injured as Bogut started to blossom which was a shame and Jennings looked promising, but after the injury it really ruined a lot of his game offensively.

Little fun note: the same GM (John Hammond) who whiffed on those 2 picks was able to stay until 2016-17 and was able to draft Giannis while swindling Khris Middleton from an out of touch Joe Dumars. The Bucks managed to pull a Homer and win it all in spite of themselves.

Yi Jianlian is another good study, why was he so bad? A lot of people said that his jump shooting form was just way too slow for the NBA, but in FIBA, he used to look great. And I know on Chinese team, a lot of scrubs would stand out, but he looked really good to me, I still wonder how he would have done at least in Europe, I imagine he could have been very good, I was very surprised he busted out of the NBA so bad. Joe Alexander is another story, I saw him in Europe, and he was just nothing, couldn't do anything, he only had that vertical, but he was one of those guys who doesn't even play athletic, similar to Derrick Williams, Williams would do insane dunk when no one is around him, but during regular play around opponents, he didn't look athletic at all, just like Alexander.

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Honestly the first red flag with Yi was that he and his team made the stupid demand of wanting to play in an NBA city with a large Chinese population and deemed Milwaukee not to his liking despite Chicago being 45-60mins away if he really wanted that community feeling. The owner had to literally beg for him to come over.

The Youtube channel with the vids explains pretty well why both players failed
This channel has done a pretty good job on plenty of players who didn't reach their growth.