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How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:33 pm
by LockoutSeason
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Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:37 pm
by Bush4Ever
Obviously if there are more "chances" in total for a liberal interpretation of an assist, the more questionable hits will be generated, all else being equal.

Is the ratio of questionable assists (to non-questionable) different?

Interpretation of assists has been an issue for a long time. Larry Bird talked about it in his book "Drive" back in 1989 (?), specifically how they generally interpreted assists much more loosely on the West Coast.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:40 pm
by Ainosterhaspie
Yeah, those are both pretty egregious. Doesn't change the fact that he's an elite playmaker and passer.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:46 pm
by AleksandarN
You can say the same with Stocktons assists LeBron’s assists etc. the methodology is not perfect. Shouldn’t take away from anyone’s greatness. It happens and doesn’t matter what era.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:46 pm
by Beethoven
Good to know. Pretty nullifies yesterday's feat possibly, not officially though of course.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:47 pm
by AleksandarN
Beethoven wrote:Good to know. Pretty nullifies yesterday's feat possibly, not officially though of course.

Nullifies? Ok sure

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:49 pm
by YogurtProducer
NBA assists would have been way better had it always just been tracked like hockey. Last person to touch the ball prior to the basket being scored gets the assist.

Eliminates all judgment calls. Assist league wide would be higher but the elite would still rise to the top.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:49 pm
by Tor_Raps
Assists have always been like this for everyone lol.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:51 pm
by Mavrelous
The tweeter added another 4
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?t=WAhizPES6OyBmsgNau4MSA&s=19

None of these are assists, can anyone confirm they were counted as assists?

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:53 pm
by JujitsuFlip

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:56 pm
by JujitsuFlip
Mavrelous wrote:The tweeter added another 4
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?t=WAhizPES6OyBmsgNau4MSA&s=19

None of these are assists, can anyone confirm they were counted as assists?
Yes, i posted the link to all 22 from last night, those were the 4 i called into question, there was also a 5th iffy one but overall, 17 assists is still dang impressive.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:57 pm
by Pantsman
Don’t home teams track assists? This stuff has been going on forever.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:57 pm
by JustBuzzin
Lol they stat padding Jokic assist smh.

None of those passes were actual assist.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:58 pm
by 7seventynine9
He's averaging 10.4 apg on the road and 10.7 apg at home.

I'd guess they are all "real" and every player has these type of assists. Unless you think every score keeper across the league is in cahoots to pad Jokic's assists totals.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:00 pm
by DowJones
What do LA fans think of assist numbers for Luka and LeBron?

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:00 pm
by azcatz11
Mavrelous wrote:The tweeter added another 4
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?t=WAhizPES6OyBmsgNau4MSA&s=19

None of these are assists, can anyone confirm they were counted as assists?


They were counted as assist in the first game against the Pacers.

Idk about the second clip. I don't see a time stamp and too lazy to look

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:01 pm
by Godymas
AleksandarN wrote:
Beethoven wrote:Good to know. Pretty nullifies yesterday's feat possibly, not officially though of course.

Nullifies? Ok sure


he had 22 total assists, so if there is even 2 more like that, then it nullifies the performance.

You can see all his assists really easily on the nba.com website here https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=31800&GameID=0022400909&PlayerID=203999&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612743&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

hilariously, the first assist is ANOTHER one just like the one OP linked where Jokic makes a pass to Porter, Porter then dribbles the ball a few times before creating his OWN shot. So that's 2 now.

Edit - just found one more. Jokic gets the DReb, makes a long pass to Gordon up the court. Gordon then dribbles the ball into the other half of the court and takes a pull-up jumper which should NOT be a Jokic assist.

Yes, this does in fact seem very fake and Jokic should be DISCREDITED for last night

Edit again - HOLY HELL, there are some REALLY BAD score keeping assists here. How the hell is passing the ball to WB who then proceeds to dribble in and spin Tyus Jones for his OWN shot a Jokic assist? What the hell? Why don't they just count every single play that comes off a DREB jesus CHRIST

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:01 pm
by Mavrelous
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:The tweeter added another 4
Read on Twitter
?t=WAhizPES6OyBmsgNau4MSA&s=19

None of these are assists, can anyone confirm they were counted as assists?
Yes, i posted the link to all 22 from last night, those were the 4 i called into question, there was also a 5th iffy one but overall, 17 assists is still dang impressive.

They should fire the score keeper, 1.7M saw the tweet and will get the wrong idea, I'm sure big ol' Perk will bring it up.
There are 4-5 assists there that are top 5 on most players career highlights.

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:02 pm
by bisme37
Why the heck is the Pacers scorekeeper giving him assists on those?

Re: How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:03 pm
by AleksandarN
What’s the definition of an assists. A pass leading to a score under 3 dribbles right? Only westbrooks assist then is in question. So let’s say 21 assists